Best shotgun beside Benelli M4?

[BigJohnH]

I guess I would have simply said WHO CARES.........lol

[Meketrefe]

Benelli best shotgun is arbitrary. Best for what and where?
If we look at a saiga 12 cannot beat the reloading speed with the flared magwell.
Russian special forces use them under the most brutal conditions. Spartan? you bet but the simplicity of the AK is hard to beat.
since this is communist NY I personally I think the Beretta A300 is hard to beat price/quality wise.
But we have other great brands and models, some not known in the USA.
I would just stay away from Tristar, Stoeger and similar garbage. Mainly because of the trigger groups that fail fast.

[Cgrutt]

7 for a semi shottie without a detachable magazine.

22. "Assault weapon" means

(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least one of the following
characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a thumbhole stock;
(iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the
non-trigger hand;
(iv) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds;
(v) an ability to accept a detachable magazine;

Calculon, that's only part of the answer, max. capacity of semi-automatic shotgun depends on features.

As stated, max capacity is 7 within fixed magazine provided there are no other "evil" features, e.g., folding or telescoping stock. However, semi-automatic shotgun is permitted with scary features (e.g., folding or telescoping stock) as long as the fixed or detachable magazine limit is not more than 5 rounds. So 7 without any scary features, no more than 5 with scary features. Note for purposes of semiauto shotgun, a pistol grip (under action of gun) IS NOT A SCARY FEATURE.

Additionally, this is magazine capacity. You get to add one in the pipe and possibly another on carrier plate in the case of Benelli M4 and Mossberg 930. So NY legal limit for semi-auto shotgun can be as much as 9 shells depending on features.

I know, clear as mud.

[gtnorry]

Beretta 1301 semiauto. I don't like pumps so I wanted a very reliable semi for my house gun. It comes in 18" tacticool, 21" is what I have and a 24".

[Calculon]

Calculon, that's only part of the answer, max. capacity of semi-automatic shotgun depends on features.

As stated, max capacity is 7 within fixed magazine provided there are no other "evil" features, e.g., folding or telescoping stock. However, semi-automatic shotgun is permitted with scary features (e.g., folding or telescoping stock) as long as the fixed or detachable magazine limit is not more than 5 rounds. So 7 without any scary features, no more than 5 with scary features. Note for purposes of semiauto shotgun, a pistol grip (under action of gun) IS NOT A SCARY FEATURE.

Additionally, this is magazine capacity. You get to add one in the pipe and possibly another on carrier plate in the case of Benelli M4 and Mossberg 930. So NY legal limit for semi-auto shotgun can be as much as 9 shells depending on features.

I know, clear as mud.

I'm no legal expert but looks like just having a detachable mag makes it fit definition of assault weapon and therefor NG in NY.

[Cgrutt]

I'm no legal expert but looks like just having a detachable mag makes it fit definition of assault weapon and therefor NG in NY.

Believe no more than 5 round fixed or detachable mag is in exemptions at end of definitions. Basically if its semi auto with fixed or detachable capacity no more than 5, none all of the AW features except 7 round fixed capacity are evil features. Like i said clear as mud. On phone don't have reference to paragraph number. BTW I'm no legal expert either...

[Calculon]

Thanks. Like you said, clear as mud!

[Cgrutt]

Also collapsible stock is GTG with mag capacity of no more than 5 but NG with 7 (technically 6 or more) because of exemption referred to above. That's why some choose collapsible stock with factory mag tube (civilian version) while others choose tube extension and shorter FIXED stock on M4. Another example of how ridiculous and arbitrary NY SAFE ACT is...

[Cgrutt]

Here's the reference 265.22(g)(iii) (g) provided, however, that such term does not include: (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine;

[Calculon]

Interesting exemption. Thanks for sharing. Now looking for a Saiga 12 gauge!

[thughes]

Interesting exemption. Thanks for sharing. Now looking for a Saiga 12 gauge!

I'm still trying to see this exemption y'all are talking about. All I see is:

22. "Assault weapon" means:
(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least one of the following
characteristics:
<snip>
(v) an ability to accept a detachable magazine;

It reads: any semiauto SG that takes a detachable mag is an AW. What am I missing?

[thughes]

I hate to be "that guy" but.......Explicitly listed by name as AW:

FN Herstal SLP MK1 TACT
Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12
RAAC MKA1919 SEMI AUTO
Remington 81059 Versa Max Tactical
Remington Model 1100 TACTICAL
Saiga semi‐automatic shotgun
SRM Tactical Semi‐Auto Shotgun
Striker 12 The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12

https://safeact.ny.gov/sites/default...ultweapons.pdf

In addition: Semi-auto SG + ability to accept detachable mag = AW

https://safeact.ny.gov/sites/default...edfeatures.pdf

[thughes]

Hey FUAC, how come Remmy 1100 tactical is banned but Mossy 930 Blackwater is ok? They're the exact same freaking configurations!


(arbitrary and capricious or what?)

[Cgrutt]

I'm still trying to see this exemption y'all are talking about. All I see is:

22. "Assault weapon" means:
(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least one of the following
characteristics:
<snip>
(v) an ability to accept a detachable magazine;

It reads: any semiauto SG that takes a detachable mag is an AW. What am I missing?

Section 265.22(g)(iii)

265.22(g)(iii) (g) provided, however, that such term does not include: (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds ofammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine

[Cgrutt]

Here is the relevant language re: semi-automatic shotgun and assault weapon:

22. "Assault weapon" means

(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least one of the following characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) a thumbhole stock;

(iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

(iv) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds;

(v) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or


(g) provided, however, that such term does not include:

(iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine; or

(iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof, specified in Appendix A to 18 U.S.C. 922 as such weapon was manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to mean that such weapon is an assault weapon;

(v) any weapon validly registered pursuant to subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00 of this chapter. Such weapons shall be subject to the provisions of paragraph (h) of this subdivision;

(vi) any firearm, rifle, or shotgun that was manufactured at least fifty years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof that is validly registered pursuant to subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00 of this chapter;