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  • How to efficiently reload rifle ammo with the progressive press

    There are many ways to skin a cat. This is one of them...

    A nice 3 way motorized trimmer is the best way to trim brass easily yet consistently.
    In terms of accuracy the forster is the most consistent and faster one for me.

    This is what I do with some of the brass to load rifle reasonably fast w/o loosing control:

    1) Wash
    I wash the brass and or sonic clean it depending how bad it is. I segregate the brass and do it in batches
    so while I wash one I have another one dry ready to take the press. In the summer you might use the sun
    as a natural cheap drier in the winter on top of a heating vent 24 to 48 hrs.

    2) Resize (1st pass progressive)
    spray the case with some bootleg lube in a large plastic bowl and shake them a little. I use canola oil and alcohol.
    I dump the brass normally 200 to 300 cases at the time in the auto feeder of the progressive press.
    I only have the resizing die or might have decapping and resizing w/o the pin depending on the primer crimp
    situation. At this point is a matter of going up and down. The press is very reliable sometimes I don't get one
    single stoppage or if there is one or two is just a case coming down backwards. Very easy job, up and down
    easy strokes.

    3) 3 way cutter and primer pocket as needed.
    I run the collected brass through the foster 3 way trimmer. This gives me a very consisten cut without burrs.
    If the primer pocket has a crimp or never has been done before I run it for a second on the pocket trimmer.
    Same way I run a brush in the pocket if I see any primer residue still left.
    If this was for match grade ammo I will punch a flash hole uniformer.
    All these operations are done with motorized units and in one efficient move with one bin on the right and the
    other on the left. Aside from the forster mini lathe/trimmer I still use the RCBS power station that has everything that
    I need running from a 110v outlet.

    4) Annealing
    This is optional. Not all the calibers need it and at different times. I also use a machine and the batch system
    to do it more efficiently. Never use water to dump hot cases. This way one does the opposite to annealing.


    5) 2nd Wash.
    I give the batches a 2nd wash. Not much is needed just very hot water and let them soak in some soap to eliminate
    any grease residue. If this is for prime hunting ammo to store for long periods (years/decades) I might give it an extra wash
    and rinse. I don't care about shiny brass but I do care about consistent super clean brass that will not contaminate
    powders nor primers.
    Since I work in batches while I might be doing a 2nd wash in one I might be doing a 1st wash in another batch and
    retrieving already dry batches.
    I have washed brass ready to go for any caliber washed only and washed and prepped properly marked with the
    nr. of reloads, batch, etc... Little simple steps make for great organization and efficiency in the long run.

    6) Charging, seating and crimp.
    Lastly I setup the press for the 2nd run. I setup the dummy (template) and use a few rounds to setup the charge,
    COAL, etc.. although this is very quick with a press if you don't change bushings.
    I have primer tubes ready to go all labeled and the reservoir ready with powder. Also bullet feeder if applies
    that with rifle the tube will serve one bullet in my finger tips vs. dumping. Sill like the feeling of a bullet
    and feel for imperfections in case, neck or bullet during feeding. I put the charge cop and in any case
    I leave one stage open before the seating die that with a good LED light lets me see the case inside no matter what
    caliber. The last is a small crimp that I put whether I have nor not cannelure. Almost nothing w/o the cannelure
    as we do not want to deform the bullet.
    So for every stroke the die stations will perform in this order:

    1) prime only at the upstroke
    2) charge the case with powder (case activated)
    3) powder cop and/or opening to peek.
    4) seated bullet comes to my fingers in left hand.
    5) factory crimp (amost all the time is factory crimp)

    For ever now and then I pick a case and put it on my gauge to verify COAL measuring from the datum using the bulle gauge.

    7) Labeling and Storage
    Once the dumper is full I transfer to a proper package indicating all the information about the brass, charges and bullets.
    I date and put a batch nr coded with caliber. For example 308W_R15_175TMK_16_09A (easy to guess).
    This goes into my log book and then referenced into my shooting log for whatever purposes.

    1/2 work is in washing and prepping the brass that is key for accuracy.

    you can avoid certain things like for pistol you don't trim. Or don't be too anal to segregate and prep brass if it is for
    plinking or regular practice but do not miss any of the esential safety steps.
    If top speed is one's goal then they should probably avoid reloading. For reloading safety is more important than speed
    and while can produce good amounts of ammo with good preparation and quality equipment it requires patience.
    Slow downs and stoppages will happen and one has to deal with them so there is no shortcuts here.

    However, Patience rewards those who make use of it.
    It is a shame when people demanding tolerance, have no tolerance

  • #2
    Thanks for laying it out, gives me confidence to process more brass and start reloading.
    www.AvidArms.com I'm STIHL out of conditioner!!
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    Am I short stroking or going to fast?

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    • #3
      FWIW, I use a Dillon 650, and will FL Resize my 30-06 separately on my single stage Rock Chucker (using case wax lube). The force applied to sizing rocks my 650 around so bad that things start to fall out of place (esp station 1, which isn't very 'captive.' It also puts each brass in my hands for inspection individually.

      Then I will prime, powder & seat on the Dillon, after wiping the wax off. It seems so much quicker to get the wax off than the spray-on stuff, and never had a stuck case (as I have had w/ Hornady OneShot)

      Now, I am reloading M2 Ball for a Garand, which has a barrel dated 1952. There is a bit of 'play' in getting that brass back to spec. The brass prep is all done at the first loading, and not again. I get only 5 reloads out of each, and then they go the 'bolt gun' pile, after inspection, to start a new life of neck sizing in the 03A3.

      Not recommending, its just what/how I do.

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      • #4
        Thats make sense. You do things this way for a reason. I dont do anything larger than a 308 case on the prigtessive presses. Although the hornady will reload 30-06, whelen, wsm, etc wo buddging. I just dont shoot enough of those.
        Still I do 2 cycles and wash brass twice.
        It is a shame when people demanding tolerance, have no tolerance

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        • #5
          Not sure if anyone is interested but anyway here is another way to explain it...
          There is nothing like sonic cleaning but if you don't have one here is
          a simple and effective method...

          Initial Collection and Cleaning

          Dump all your dirty, unclassified range brass into an open plastic container.

          You might have it more or less together from same range session but also form
          random pickup with all sort of things mixed including pistol and other rifle calibers mixed.

          Just remove the obvious any steel cases, small rocks, tree leaves, branches, staples, paper, etc...

          Then just dump all that in a large plastic jar like those 1 gallon jars from Mayo or salad dressing.

          Add a bit of simple green and hot water all the way to cover all brass.

          Give it a few minutes of vigorous shakes and let it sit for 10-15 minutes.

          Then go back shake it a bit more and let them sit for a few more minutes.

          This will depends on how dirty the brass is. you will see all the gunk go away.

          After that open the things and drain the water. Shake it as you drain it.

          Move up and down to empty all cases and drain well but not too worry because
          the rinsing just started.

          Fill it with hot water again. Shake it a bit more. up and down and across shake shake shake.
          Then empty again.

          Now put a tad of baking soda (2/3 full tea spoons or eye ball it) and then fill with water again.

          Shake it well for a few minutes and let it sit for a few more.

          While you let this sit between shakes you might be preparing next batch or sorting
          an already dried brass.

          Ok so take the bin one last time and give it a big shake. then rinse all the water.

          Might want to fill it again with hot water for a final rinse. Give it a nice shake.

          Rinse it again and shake it well make sure most of the water is out the cases.

          Drying

          Now take an old towel and dump all the brass there on the floor on top of the
          towel. Grab the towel and wrap the brass on the towel and give it a nice shake
          like a hamaca front and back. Rug with the towel and then in a large and shallow
          cardboard box dump all the brass.

          If you put this brass in the sun it will dry out in a couple of hours but more will not hurt
          as it needs to evaporate the water iniside the primers.
          Alternatively in the winter put this on top of a furnace vent where is warm (not burning)
          and let the heat do its work.

          The brass will be very clean. It will not be the shiniest brass but it will be free of any
          gunk, dust, dirt, etc... Unlike tumbled brass will also be free of tumbling dust that
          is a killer for the dies.

          Sorting brass

          Now you can prepare smaller containers with labels to store by caliber, head stamp, year,
          etc... as you consider suitable for your storage and use.
          From those smaller sorting containers you might move to larger ones for storing once
          fired clean brass.

          After this you can pick up specific containers for preparation like depriming, resizing and
          and trimming. Rifle brass you don't measure just trim it to a common length and some
          might trim and some not. it is more important to trim a bit shorter and to be consistent
          than skip untrimmed brass over the max length. Every brand will give you an average
          whether is new or once fired.

          Sizing and Prepping

          You now have X dies that will not need trimming as they will prevent the neck to stretch in the
          bushing while resizing but I would always trim them the first time to start with my consistent length.

          It is also the first time you get rid fo the military crimp and give it a nice bevel so priming
          is easier. It is also a good time to clean the primer pockets with a brush. The
          motorized units with multiple heads help a lot to speed up this process.

          After prepping the brass you might put it back in storage in batches and it is actually
          a good thing for long term because the oil from the sizing will help preserve the casings
          to a certain degree.

          2nd Wash

          When is time to use that batch of brass or whether it is from this week or 3 years ago,
          it is a good ideal to give it another wash. This is just a fast wash in hot water with
          some greaser agent. Try dishwasher soap or even the simple green again. no much is needed.
          Rinse again like before and put on the sun or whatever source for drying.

          Labeling Method

          Make sure you label everything. masking tape is great for this and inexpensive.
          A good method might be to indicate the caliber, headstamp, year, nr. firings, last trim.
          For example I have 1 gallon plastic containers with a small label like this:
          223 LCn 07-10 / x1 / CU. --> this for me means 223/5.56 LAke City NAto form 2007 to 2010 years / x1 fired / Clean Unprepared
          9mm Federal 15 / x2 / CR --> this for me means 9mm Luger 2015 / Twice fired / Clean and Resized.

          These are just examples.

          I use the wash steps above with the sonic cleaner and sometimes I do it by hand a first
          wash when the brass is very dirty picked up from mud and sand.


          Sort then clean

          So why sorting after cleaning?

          Very simple, the brass is clean and easy to see to sort. Also the containers I fill out can
          go in the case feeder of the progressive press for a first pass before even trimming and priming.
          I just setup the recapping and resizing die and then come down as fast as I can pull the
          handle that is the fastest way to feed brass to a machine even for just one step operation.

          Once you have setup the brass feeder the rest is a painless operation vs. a single stage system.
          I think this step only pays for any reliable automatic feeder even if one doesn't prime or anything else
          in the first pass.

          This allows me to pickup the batch and start trimming with a motorized unit that is also
          the fastest way to trim if you have a 3 way cutter.

          For pistol one might not care about clean primers and don't need trimming (very rare) so
          might go for the whole reload operation of the progressive press in one shot. Bullet feeders
          will make it even easier although it could be the time to take a final peek inside the case
          before seating.

          The key to success is automation. Automation leads to consistency. Simple is good.

          No much is needed to get on with reloading and proper brass preparation. Don't even need
          a tumbler and if you know someone with a restaurant you will have an endless supply of
          nice plastic bins for cleaning and storage. I also use the yogurt and regular card boxes for
          segregated brass in smaller batches. Once you have a few thousand cases cleaned and trimmed
          you might have enough for the rest of your life. 500 cases or quality 308 brass might last the entire
          service life of a 308 bolt action. I have lapua cases that I have reloaded up to 50 times so
          lapua might be the cheapest brass ever after-all. Annealing will be required to make it last
          and the frequency depends of the caliber at hand.

          I hope this makes sense.
          It is a shame when people demanding tolerance, have no tolerance

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          • #6
            I have been on a workshop last two weeks but during the night I keep cleaning some brass.
            After cleaning brass for two years I am amazed I still have brass to clean. And I am still getting some more.
            My buddy just dropped a box with a few coffee cans filled with 223, 40 cal and 9mm once fired shells.

            It is a shame when people demanding tolerance, have no tolerance

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            • #7
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              I have to bend over too far

              I get a boner.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by thughes View Post
                How's that 7.7x58 Jap coming?
                I got to find it. I know is somewhere!. LOL
                It is a shame when people demanding tolerance, have no tolerance

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