NYS Pistol Recertification

[big flash]

When applying for this BS are you guys requesting the public records exemption? ....

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Are you requesting to have information concerning your firearms license recertification exempt from public record? Yes
4. I have reason to believe that I may be subject to unwarranted harassment upon disclosure.
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I am saying to prevent unwarranted harassment. That should be the standard most people
use right? I don't see a reason why anyone would not want to have rectification excluded from public records, do you?

Thanks!

i should have, don't know why i didn't. oh well.

i was expecting some sort of email or something saying i was "done" or "approved" or whatever but got nothing.
so i went back on, searched and it says that i don't have to do it again for 5 years. so i must be all set, right? very weird though.

[WARFAB]

Deadline extension proposed.

http://auburnpub.com/blogs/eye_on_ny/helming-seward-extend-safe-act-pistol-permit-recertification-deadline/article_0ce91d4e-fc1d-11e7-ac61-cf902c51436d.html

Two of Cayuga County's state representatives want to extend the deadline for New York gun owners to recertify their pistol permits.

State Sen. Pam Helming signed a letter to Gov. Andrew Cuomo urging him to extend the pistol permit recertification deadline. One of Helming's colleagues, state Sen. Jim Seward, has introduced a bill that would provide a two-month extension for New Yorkers to renew their pistol licenses.

The recertification process is mandated by the SAFE Act, a gun control law adopted five years ago. If a permit was issued before Jan. 15, 2013, the recertification deadline is Jan. 31, 2018. For permits approved after Jan. 15, 2013, the deadline is five years from the issue date.

Helming, R-Canandaigua, called the program a failure. As of Jan. 2, only about 230,000 of the state's 1.2 million pistol permit holders recertified their licenses.

If a pistol permit holder fails to recertify, they will have their license revoked.

"The current process is broken and has caused problems for our local county clerks and sheriffs and confusion among law-abiding gun owners," she said. "Our gun owners who fail to recertify face the possibility of losing their Second Amendment rights and their voting rights."

[Meketrefe]

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[Cgrutt]

Deadline is today I guess we'll see how that goes... I recertified last night for me and my wife. Recert number was 512xxx. I filed mine and did wife's immediately afterwards and her number was about 500 higher than mine so I'm thinking they are getting high volume during last few hours. Still number is only a little more than 500,000 which is probably small fraction of NYS pistol permit holders.

[usmcveteran]

I just did mine an hour ago myself

[WARFAB]

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/31/58187...ndgun-database

This week marked the official deadline for more than 370,000 handgun owners in the state of New York to register those guns with state police. New York is trying to use that information to build a comprehensive record of gun owners — something only one other state has done. The database that California started in 2007 has gotten mixed reviews.

So Cgrutt saw a number north of 500k, but this article is saying 370k handgun owners? I'm wondering what the correct number is.

"We'll have for the first time a statewide handgun database that will allow the state, allow local officials to check periodically," Cuomo said. The plan lawmakers approved calls for detailed information on hundreds of thousands of legally licensed handgun owners and their weapons – down to make, model and serial numbers. Some of that information was already available on gun permit applications filed at county clerk's offices across the state, but it was often outdated or incomplete.

State police will build a database they can check against criminal records, alerts filed by mental health professionals, and restraining orders. Only law enforcement can see the information, not the public.

Cuomo described it as a system based on commonsense. "You don't want criminals and people who are mentally ill to have guns," he said. Once the law passed, state police began collecting information from every person who applied for a new handgun permit.

Supposedly, all of these things were supposed to be getting accomplished before re-certifying with the state. So either Cuomo is ignorant, or lying, or possibly both.

As of the deadline, more than 81,000 people – or 20 percent of affected handgun owners in New York – haven't responded to the state's request. But New York State Police spokesman Beau Duffy argues that concern about this gun database has been overblown. He said felony charges are off the table for now. "We're not going to take criminal enforcement action, particularly with those people who were unaware of this re-certification process," Duffy said.

The next big question is how this registry is going to be used and who's going to follow up with gun owners. Laura Cutilletta, legal director for the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, believes it could be a game-changer for police.

This article is throwing out lots of numbers, but it's not clear if the numbers are accurate or where they're getting them from. Not everyone needs to re-certify this year. Pistol permit applications have accelerated in recent years, so who knows whether the "20 percent" figure is accurate or what it's based upon. Either way, it's a pretty substantial number, and they admit they're not going to do anything about it. So that means that everyone who bent over and re-certified can feel that much more foolish for doing so.

The number of crimes that will be prevented by this nonsense? How much did it cost New York taxpayers?

Edit: According to this (rather disgusting) article in the D&C, there are between 1,200,000 and 1,500,000 permit holders in New York State.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com...on/1058777001/

[camper4lyfe]

The comments are almost as bad as the artile

[WARFAB]

http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index....certified.html

There are about 1.2 million pistol permit holders in New York, according to state Sen. Pamela Helming (R-Canandaigua). As of Wednesday morning, 262,114 residents had recertified their pistol permits, Duffy said.

So this article has the percentage pretty much reversed from the NPR article. That would be a 21.84% compliance rate.

[thughes]

Cuomo described it as a system based on commonsense. "You don't want criminals and people who are mentally ill to have guns,"

Hey F uckhead! Criminals are not going to be registering with your database and therefore can (and do) have all the guns they want. Goddam, the stupid just hurts my head......

[WARFAB]

http://www.wbng.com/story/37399907/n...ertify-permits

(WBNG) -- While the deadline for gun owners to renew their permits was Wednesday at midnight, New York State Police officials said they will continue to collect admissions.

The New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, otherwise known as the SAFE Act, makes people recertify their pistol permits every five years to keep track of them throughout the state.

Not only will state police allow recertifcations to be submitted past the deadline, the Public Information Director, Beau Duffy, said there also won't be penalties on those who fail to do so.

12 News spoke to State Senator Fred Akshar about this. He said he is happy to see State Police working hard to get people to register.

However, he said he doesn't believe allowing people to recertify past the deadline is a solution.

"It doesn't fix the over-arching issue," said State Senator Akshar. "People are still, if they're not registering by midnight tonight, in violation of the SAFE ACT."

So which is it? How much taxpayer money was spent on this colossal waste of time that won't prevent any crimes? Is Senator Akshar the guy who's going to enforce this BS?

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/news/local_news/pistol-deadline-won-t-be-enforced-by-sheriff-s-office/article_fd5d67f4-1fe5-52f2-8ca2-99dfef948124.html

State and county law enforcement say they do not plan to pursue criminal charges against pistol permit holders who fail to recertify their permits by Jan. 31.

In recent months, state and county officials have raised concern that failing to extend the recertification deadline would turn thousands of law-biding pistol-owners into criminals overnight.

The recertification requirement was passed in 2013 as part of the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, which mandates that permit holders re-certify every five years. Only those who acquired their permits before Jan. 15, 2013, are subject to the Jan. 31 deadline.

According to state law, those who fail to re-certify could lose their permits and potentially face an illegal-weapon possession charge, should they be caught after Jan. 31.

But both New York State Police and the Niagara County Sheriff Jim Voutour say they will not bring criminal charges against those otherwise law-biding citizens.

“These people with pistol permits, they're law-biding people," Voutour said. "This is new to them, particularly the people who've had permits for many, many years.”

[camper4lyfe]

Vague and ambiguous for a reason.

[thughes]

Pistol permit recertification backlog: Officials say it could take a year to complete database

http://www.whec.com/news/pistol-perm...95500/?cat=565

"State Police say it could take up to a full year to process all of them."

Here's my shocked face -->

[WARFAB]

https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news...NNmzM5cwn-Lgx4

Looks like only about 30% of the permit holders in Erie county are in compliance with the renewal requirement.

[camper4lyfe]

https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news...NNmzM5cwn-Lgx4

Looks like only about 30% of the permit holders in Erie county are in compliance with the renewal requirement.

I saw somewhere that Erie county had some of the highest compliance rates in the state, as well. Or something to that effect. Statewide, compliance is ridiculously low.

[Norm DeGuerre]

The more people that decline to participate the better the Court challenge will be

I know it's easy for me to say, since I moved my Domicile to Florida
But .....

FUAC .🤣🤣🤣🤣

[WARFAB]

Shocker: this is turning into a ridiculous fiasco.

https://www.wivb.com/news/state/stat...ers/1686343045

The law was unclear on many things and the state police aren't really set up to do this kind of thing well.

Cuomo can pass whatever laws he wants, but he is still reliant on the consent of the governed in many ways. The more nonsense he pulls, the less anyone pays attention.