Fiberglass AR Gun Stock

[PY-Tactical]

Started this project elsewhere but moving to this site. Haven't done much as far as moulds go as is so cold in unheated shop available.

Basically, working from this target rifle design:


I am adapting to this for AR rifle as compliant stock design. (Not for sale, for my own guns.)

[prambo]

It is one of the better designs I've seen, and appears to be way more comfortable, and less ugly, than the Ugly Stick.

[camper4lyfe]

This law makes my head spin

[prambo]

This law makes my head spin

That, and it makes my stomach turn over. Maybe we should start not caring about it.

[PY-Tactical]

Since one of the uppers I have available is a .22 LR not requiring a buffer tube, I ordered a pistol plug today and plan on a separate bolt on comb riser.



Must take a trip to my secret "Die Flut Bunker" and retrieve some parts to design from. Trying to decide if a metal bar recoil insert is needed to absorb recoil at the back of the lower.

[RayKnobs]

Is it worth the $1000's of dollars and loss of freedom to prove to a judge and jury that this isn't a thumb hole stock?
Function wise it's a thumb hole. Cutting a slot to the hole is a technicality.
Yours is about an inch, why couldn't it be 1/16th of an inch?

and, it looks cool, I like your project

[WARFAB]

Trying to decide if a metal bar recoil insert is needed to absorb recoil at the back of the lower.

Not sure exactly what you're picturing, but are you talking about for the .22 upper or for a .223 upper?

[PY-Tactical]

Not sure exactly what you're picturing, but are you talking about for the .22 upper or for a .223 upper?

Either actually, the .223 shot pretty soft, but that was with a compensater, which I need to remove now. If I incorporate a metal recoil bar, it would need to be for all calipers. The metal reinforcement would pick up the point behind the lower and go down to the back of the rifle grip. Embedded in the stock as shown below in gray:

[PY-Tactical]

Is it worth the $1000's of dollars and loss of freedom to prove to a judge and jury that this isn't a thumb hole stock?
Function wise it's a thumb hole. Cutting a slot to the hole is a technicality.
Yours is about an inch, why couldn't it be 1/16th of an inch?

and, it looks cool, I like your project

Really Ray? I don't have to prove anything do I? The state has to prove it is a hole. The common definition of "hole" is a hollow surrounded by a solid. In no way is that a hole surrounded by a solid now is it? Besides, I don't care anyway, too old to give a hoot. Police have better things to do than to explore such an extremely grey thing. No arguments allowed on this any risk is all mine.

[GUNSICK]

I don't think you need a metal spine piece like that but need reinforcement where it attaches to the receiver.

[RayKnobs]

Really Ray? I don't have to prove anything do I? The state has to prove it is a hole. The common definition of "hole" is a hollow surrounded by a solid. In no way is that a hole surrounded by a solid now is it? Besides, I don't care anyway, too old to give a hoot. Police have better things to do than to explore such an extremely grey thing. No arguments allowed on this any risk is all mine.

I think it's a hole, a jury will think it's no different than a hole. The state can make a great case that it's a hole. So yes, You will have to prove it's not a hole.
No one is going to bring up the definintion of what a hole is. They are going to point to function. It function the same as a thumbhole stock.

Or they will call it a pistol grip, since it is a pistol grip with a stock mounted to it. It meets the "definition" of a pistol grip

The police won't be exploring it, they will just arrest you and let the DA sort it out.

I am not trying to argue, it's just a discussion about the risk created by your new invention.

[PY-Tactical]

You are certainly welcome to your opinion.


I don't care.....😜

[WARFAB]

If you ask me it's no more a "thumbhole" or "pistol grip" than the Thordsen stock. But to each his or her own I guess. I'm not going to debate it considering I'm guessing the main reason PY-Tactical is working on creating this thing is to comply with the stupid law to begin with. The law makes an exception for people who believe they are in compliance. The effort to create this stock is going to be a very strong argument for PY believing he was in compliance.

If this is going to be a fiberglass stock, why use metal to reinforce it? Why not just add additional glass or carbon reinforcement where you think it might need it?

[GUNSICK]

PY this is similar to you project. Its a U-15 stock it was made for California compliance in 2006. Didn't know if you had seen one before so I figured I would post a pick. I had one of these that I bought from Exile Machine a few years ago. They were using it to prototype their stock system. I wish I hadn't sold it. There are a lot of picks on Google images if you want to see different angles and details.

[RayKnobs]

If you ask me it's no more a "thumbhole" or "pistol grip" than the Thordsen stock.

When overlaid it's clear that the PY's grip position is "pistol" and not "rifle" The thumb would be on the opposite side of the grip from the palm, unlike a rifle grip.