Please Read: NYF & Vertical Scope info

[usmcveteran]

I just wanted to bring some things to people's attention that may not have given this any thought about NYF. Since I learned of this buyout by vertical scope I decided to do looking and noticed that they have changed the privacy policy and the terms of service. The funny thing is I was never given any notice to this, not even a simple email letting me know .

So I read the terms of service and decided I did not agree with having all my posts there being able to make money for a company backed by anti Gunners. My content would now be theirs to do with as they please and a company backed by anti Gunners does NOT have my trust or permission.

Anyways I remember reading the old terms of service and Mike never made mention of posts becoming his property so all user generated content would therefore remain the creators.

So in essence Vertical Scope just stole everyone's property and won't delete it. Remember all those posts deleted about grey areas, or from people angry right after SAFE Act ? Well those were all soft deleted...... What does that mean? Vertical Scope now has access to all those statements even the ones you meant as jokes that could make you look bad in a court of law.

Here is their reply to my request to delete all my posts.

Dear smcveteran,

Thank you for your email. As Philip previously mentioned, we can anonymize your NYfirearms.com account per your request. With respect to your posts, Mike (former owner) confirmed that all submissions made by users on NYfirearms.com were voluntarily submitted, the site had a license to the posts submitted and there were policies and practices in place against deleting posts on the website except where required by law. You would have been aware of these as a past moderator. Please see the link below for NYfirearms’ terms of use which state that all posters to NYfirearms.com provide VerticalScope with an irrevocable license to their posts (please see the link and bolded/underlined paragraph below).

http://www.verticalscope.com/aboutus...nyfirearms.com

*_You agree to grant to NYFIREARMS.COM a non-exclusive, royalty free, worldwide, irrevocable, perpetual license to reproduce, distribute, transmit, sublicense, create derivative works of, publicly display, publish and perform any materials and other information you submit to any public areas, chat rooms, bulletin boards, newsgroups or forums of NYFIREARMS.COM or which you provide by email or any other means to NYFIREARMS.COM and in any media now known or hereafter developed. Further, you grant to NYFIREARMS.COM the right to use your name and or user name in connection with the submitted materials and other information as well as in connection with all advertising, marketing and promotional material related thereto, together with use on any other VerticalScope Inc. web sites. You agree that you shall have no recourse against VerticalScope Inc. for any alleged or actual infringement or misappropriation of any proprietary right in your communications to NYFIREARMS.COM._*

Best regards,

Legal Department, VerticalScope


I made it clear in my request that I only logged on site and sent pm for purpose of proving my identity and that I did not consent to terms of service. My first PM included that information.

Also what about everyone's posts in last that have not even been on site ( like me who used only to request deletion of posts). They have not used site since new rules but apparently that doesn't matter and they own your posts there to use as they see fit.


I hope they only use it to make money and not use the posts hidden from view that could be incriminating to some!

At this point I am looking at my options and am not going to give up!


ETA: below is privacy policy from former NYF which clearly does not prevent deletion of posts, further it states if your information is to be used for new purposes outside that term you will be notified PRIOR to it being used in new way.

Funny I never received any notice!

Here it is....

Look at the future uses section. very clear.


Company Information
This is the web site of Technotic Media Inc..

Our postal address is:
1249 Ridgeway Ave Ste N
Rochester, NY 14615

We can be reached via e-mail at info@nyfirearms.com.

Information Collected
For each visitor to our Web page, our Web server automatically recognizes only the consumer’s domain name, but not the e-mail address (where possible).

We collect the e-mail addresses of those who post messages to our bulletin board, the e-mail addresses of those who communicate with us via e-mail, aggregate information on what pages consumers access or visit.

The information we collect is used to improve the content of our Web page and disclosed when legally required to do so, at the request of governmental authorities conducting an investigation, to verify or enforce compliance with the policies governing our Web site and applicable laws, or to protect against misuse or unauthorized use of our Web site.

With respect to cookies: We use cookies to ensure that visitors are not repeatedly sent the same banner ads and store a unique user id to maintain session information for your improved site experience.

Store Specific
If you supply us with your postal address on-line you will only receive the information for which you provided us your address.

Persons who supply us with their telephone numbers on-line will only receive telephone contact from us with information regarding orders they have placed on-line.

Advertising Companies
With respect to Ad Servers: To try and bring you offers that are of interest to you, we have relationships with other companies that we allow to place ads on our Web pages. As a result of your visit to our site, ad server companies may collect information such as your domain type, your IP address and other pertinent information.

Future Uses
From time to time, we may use customer information for new, unanticipated uses not previously disclosed in our privacy notice. If our information practices change at some time in the future we will contact you before we use your data for these new purposes to notify you of the policy change and to provide you with the ability to opt out of these new uses.

Security
With respect to security: We have appropriate security measures in place in our physical facilities to protect against the loss, misuse or alteration of information that we have collected from you at our site.

User Protection
If you feel that this site is not following its stated information policy, you may contact us at the above addresses or phone number.

[WARFAB]

Thanks for the update USMC.

[Cgrutt]

You agree that you shall have no recourse against VerticalScope Inc. for any alleged or actual infringement or misappropriation of any proprietary right in your communications to NYFIREARMS.COM.

LMFAO. So explain to me this, how is it that you agreed to have no recourse against VerticalScope for any misappropriation (actual or alleged, ha, ha) for posts made before VerticalScope was even a party to such agreement? Sounds like unenforceable BS to me. Has a familiar ring to it from other anti-gunners, huh. Where's Shooter anyway?

FUVS!

[MilesTeg]

Wow it's worse than I thought. I guess I will stop posting and stop using my login. The whole thing is describing really. You know what you post is public but for it to become someone else's property is absurd. Also when the websites changes hands I don't see how they don't make you agree to the new terms and conditions. Hell I get the prompt with everything else that is digital. I also think legally they have to delete anything posted before their take over upon individuals request.

[Meketrefe]

How can one request for everything one posted to be deleted?
Can one legally do that under the old agreement?
do you have a copy of the old agreement?

Thanks for the info.

[Cgrutt]

How can one request for everything one posted to be deleted?
Can one legally do that under the old agreement?
do you have a copy of the old agreement?

Thanks for the info.

Mek, when you figure it out sign me up...

[Wildman]

Mek, when you figure it out sign me up...

Me 3

[Meketrefe]

I want to see what usmc has to say.
Otherwise I might mail them a written letter requesting the deletion of all my history and account.
It would be nice to have a copy of the old agreement and a draft we all can fill out and send.

[Pissed Off Patriot]

What if you do what I'll call a cgrutt from a couple years ago? How was that again, change your email and then not confirm it or something like that? I don't remember the details...

[Meketrefe]

I am banned for good of that place. But I want them to delete all my history.
They really have nothing of value but I just want to poke at them. fvck them.

[WARFAB]

Would Hex have access to the previous user agreement? It sounds like he isn't really maintaining any loyalties to NYF.

Doesn't Google keep some sort of archive of web pages? Perhaps we could find the old user agreement there.

[Cgrutt]

What if you do what I'll call a cgrutt.

Hmm, I guess that makes me almost famous, LOL...

[Meketrefe]

Here it is....

Look at the future uses section. very clear.


Company Information
This is the web site of Technotic Media Inc..

Our postal address is:
1249 Ridgeway Ave Ste N
Rochester, NY 14615

We can be reached via e-mail at info@nyfirearms.com.

Information Collected
For each visitor to our Web page, our Web server automatically recognizes only the consumer’s domain name, but not the e-mail address (where possible).

We collect the e-mail addresses of those who post messages to our bulletin board, the e-mail addresses of those who communicate with us via e-mail, aggregate information on what pages consumers access or visit.

The information we collect is used to improve the content of our Web page and disclosed when legally required to do so, at the request of governmental authorities conducting an investigation, to verify or enforce compliance with the policies governing our Web site and applicable laws, or to protect against misuse or unauthorized use of our Web site.

With respect to cookies: We use cookies to ensure that visitors are not repeatedly sent the same banner ads and store a unique user id to maintain session information for your improved site experience.

Store Specific
If you supply us with your postal address on-line you will only receive the information for which you provided us your address.

Persons who supply us with their telephone numbers on-line will only receive telephone contact from us with information regarding orders they have placed on-line.

Advertising Companies
With respect to Ad Servers: To try and bring you offers that are of interest to you, we have relationships with other companies that we allow to place ads on our Web pages. As a result of your visit to our site, ad server companies may collect information such as your domain type, your IP address and other pertinent information.

Future Uses
From time to time, we may use customer information for new, unanticipated uses not previously disclosed in our privacy notice. If our information practices change at some time in the future we will contact you before we use your data for these new purposes to notify you of the policy change and to provide you with the ability to opt out of these new uses.

Security
With respect to security: We have appropriate security measures in place in our physical facilities to protect against the loss, misuse or alteration of information that we have collected from you at our site.

User Protection
If you feel that this site is not following its stated information policy, you may contact us at the above addresses or phone number.

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Hmm, I guess that makes me almost famous, LOL...

Yes, indeed. But what was the end result of doing that? Besides getting you banned, I mean. lol If you changed your forum email to one that hasn't been confirmed, didn't it do something to all your old posts?

[usmcveteran]

See exactly! Never said anything about keeping you posts if you don't want them too and specificly said they would notify you before using your info in the new way!

I will be working on some type of form letter, Mek get me that page if you have the cached one please.

Everyone get the word out! We will send in our requests together at same time! So who is with me on this?