What to do if vaccines are mandated?

[thughes]

Love this:

"Moderna says a single 50-microgram shot should be enough for a booster"


Not: "Rigorous testing across a wide population of subjects over the past 12 months confirms that a 50 microgram dose has been proven effective in boosting the effectiveness of the initial dosage".....but instead, the manufacturer states......."we think 50 micrograms should be enough".

WTF?

And they wonder why people are resistant to getting this s hit injected into their body?


https://www.whec.com/news/fda-panel-...oster/6269488/

[WARFAB]

Trust the science.

[usmcveteran]

I don't understand why they are saying they are straying from standard procedures because of the pandemic? I thought these were safe and effective and go through all the same steps as every other vaccine. Seems like they aren't even following the science and are just guessing at this point knowing the vaccines they do have are junk at this point and don't provide immunity.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...day/index.html

"Members of the committee said they were not entirely convinced the data showed a booster was necessary or that it increased protection."

"The data are not perfect but these are extraordinary times and we have to work with imperfect data," said Dr. Eric Rubin, editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

[WARFAB]

"The data are not perfect but these are extraordinary times and we have to work with imperfect data," said Dr. Eric Rubin, editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

'Extraordinary times' because of a virus that has a .2% mortality rate overall, and a negligible mortality rate that is less than the seasonal flu for the vast majority of the population. So basically if we ever get a pandemic with a much as a 1% mortality rate it would be game over and welcome to a complete dictatorship considering what they're trying to pull with this one.

[Norm Deguerre x2]

All about cash flow

[thughes]

Here you go:

In defense of freedom



Whether or not you choose to get vaccinated for the Wuhan virus you probably think it is your right to choose, not Joe Biden's right to choose for you. To opt out of government mandates you need a religious exemption. This has given rise to the Fundamentalist Church of America which as far as we can tell only exists to give Americans the right to choose what is injected into their bodies. The FCOA accepts no donations , and lets you remain a member of your current church. If you have a friend looking for religious exemption tell them about the Fundamentalist Church of America.

[dwa12479]

Love this:

"Moderna says a single 50-microgram shot should be enough for a booster"


Not: "Rigorous testing across a wide population of subjects over the past 12 months confirms that a 50 microgram dose has been proven effective in boosting the effectiveness of the initial dosage".....but instead, the manufacturer states......."we think 50 micrograms should be enough".

WTF?

And they wonder why people are resistant to getting this s hit injected into their body?


https://www.whec.com/news/fda-panel-...oster/6269488/

Id love to see tbis method in architecture.

"Yeah, a single I-Beam there should be enough to hold up the 2nd story."

[WARFAB]

Id love to see tbis method in architecture.

"Yeah, a single I-Beam there should be enough to hold up the 2nd story."

Pretty sure that's how big flash does it.

[Norm Deguerre x2]

The WTC method !!

[big flash]

HAHAHA wouldn't that be nice! It's a fine line between code compliant and spending more money than you really need to.

just lick your finger, stick it up in the air and let the breeze tell you whether it'll be good enough of not

[WARFAB]

People might be a little shocked to find out how carefully lamination schedules are calculated in the boating industry.

[Norm Deguerre x2]

Whatcha know about that stuff, Willie. ??
got me curious.

[WARFAB]

Whatcha know about that stuff, Willie. ??
got me curious.

Built high end boats for 2 years. There was an awful lot of "Yeah that will probably work" and not a lot of actual math and engineering.

[Norm Deguerre x2]

No kidding. !!
I imported Cougar Boats from Thunder Bay Cunukistan for years
Used to pick up in Toronto area, and drag them back Prolly a nightmare at the US Border these days

[Norm Deguerre x2]

Lay- Up, or Chopper Coat. ??? ????

[WARFAB]

No kidding. !!
I imported Cougar Boats from Thunder Bay Cunukistan for years

The race boats were hand laid and vacuum bagged. The pleasure boats were hand laid and vacuum infused. Funny you were importing Cougars. The pleasure boats we were building were designed by the Cougar in England, but we had to market and sell them under a different name because the Canadian Cougar has the rights to the name in the US.

[Norm Deguerre x2]

Were you working in one of the Odenbach buildings ?

I sold 10 or 12 big block Chevy v- drives over 12 years
Then my wife "invited" me to move off the Lake
people on this Forum always keep an interesting past.

[Norm Deguerre x2]

• I have some room on the Farm, was thinking about "splashing" a small craft like a Boston Whaler, making a wooden plug and producing a number of them each summer

I would use a chopper gun, as the weight would work well in a smaller craft

[WARFAB]

Not a fan of chopper guns.

[Norm Deguerre x2]

Should also mention I fabricate aluminum dock sections and gangways People can save him the freight, and dealer mark up
I was a Dealer at one time, then I looked at the product complexity
there is none !!!
So ...
I started making such product

[thughes]

FYI: (stolen from another forum)

A growing body of research suggests infection plus vaccination provides the strongest protection against a wide range of variants, possibly for a long time.

People who were infected and then vaccinated some months later have "what's called 'hybrid immunity,' which is like super-immunity," said Warner Greene, a virologist at the Gladstone Institutes in San Francisco.

This combined protection seems to last a long time, according to a new study in the journal Science. It may last far longer than vaccination alone, he said, though that hasn't been proven yet.


Greene warns against seeking out infection to get such good protection, though. Severe disease is no fun and can strike anyone.

Infectious disease expert Dr. Monica Gandhi said public health officials too often downplay the protection provided by infection.

"To deny natural immunity does not generate trust," said Gandhi, an infectious disease expert at the University of California, San Francisco and San Francisco General Hospital.

Getting vaccinated three months – or even better, six months – after infection provides the best possible protection, she said. But adding a second shot offers almost no additional benefit over the first, nor do people who have been fully vaccinated and infected need a booster at this point.

"If you're naturally immune, get one dose," Gandhi said.

In a new study from the Rockefeller Institute in New York, researchers found that people who get vaccinated after catching COVID-19 may be protected against a wider range of variants than people who get vaccinated alone.

Still, said Theodora Hatziioannou, an author on the study, if you have to pick one, go with vaccination.

Shots, she said, lead to higher levels of neutralizing antibodies, naturally made substances that fight an infection. Neutralizing antibodies wane with time, so the more you start out with, the better.

"At five-six months post-vaccination or infection," she said, "the vaccinated participants had overall higher levels of neutralizing antibodies than the infected, including against variants."

Unanswered questions
There are still open questions when it comes to natural immunity and the protection it affords.

It's not clear, for instance, how soon someone can get infected with COVID-19 a second time.

The CDC "is actively working to learn more about reinfection to inform public health action," according to spokesperson Kristen Nordlund. "This is a priority area of research for CDC."

For young, healthy people, an infection may provide 80% to 90% protection against a reinfection, she said. But in older adults and those who are immunocompromised, an infection may be less protective.

In Denmark, for instance, of nearly 12,000 people who tested positive during the first wave of coronavirus infections last year, more than 80% were protected in the second surge. But among those 65 and older, protection against repeat infection was only 47%. Protection didn't seem to fade over time.

Milder or asymptomatic infections may provide less protection than severe ones.

Unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 are more than twice as likely as fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again, Nordlund said.

Studies are still being done, she said, to better understand whether repeat infections are milder than initial ones.

"One would expect so," Hatziioannou said. "The immune responses developed during the first infection should offer some protection against severe symptoms the second time around."

But variants might make a difference. For example, she said, blood from people previously infected with the so-called beta coronavirus variant might not be able to fight the delta variant as well as people infected with the virus in its original form.

Jeffrey Shaman, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health, said it's frustrating to be this far into the pandemic and still have so little understanding of repeat infections.

Though it should be relatively easy to count how many people get infected after vaccination – data the CDC stopped collecting this spring – it's much more challenging to learn how many people are getting repeat COVID-19 infections.

If they're not very sick, he said, they are unlikely to report those infections.

Early studies suggested some people were developing different types of immune responses to infection, he said. Some developed protection against the virus' spike protein, the same target of vaccines. They seemed less likely to develop a repeat infection.

But it's possible that as the virus that causes COVID-19 continues to evolve, another variant will come along and people whose immune systems responded to a different part of the virus will be better protected, he said.

Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, said he worries about patients who had a severe reaction to COVID-19 the first time.

He has seen a number of patients whose symptoms are worse with a second infection, perhaps because they have immune cells that are "primed to respond in an exaggerated or more aggressive fashion during a reinfection."

Countries that have tried to rely on natural infections to slow the spread of the virus, such as Brazil and Iran, "have not prevented recurrent waves of infection," Glatter said.

"There is no country in the world where natural infection and natural immunity has slowed the pace of the pandemic or helped to bring it under control."