There is no covid vaccine?

[usmcveteran]

So Ive been trying to talk with people about covid. Let's just say apparently the big grocery chain in our area could be violating health code. People are testing positive for covid and employees working with them aren't being notified of exposure! I guess that's actually happening at a lot of businesses.

[WARFAB]

So Ive been trying to talk with people about covid. Let's just say apparently the big grocery chain in our area could be violating health code. People are testing positive for covid and employees working with them aren't being notified of exposure! I guess that's actually happening at a lot of businesses.

I heard some rumblings a while back about Wegmans not having to follow the rules. But I doubt the big box stores that have stayed open the whole time are violating the rules any less than Wegmans. It's only the small businesses that the rules are really being enforced for because they doin't have the money to fight the battle or grease the appropriate palms.

[usmcveteran]

Ok I'm sorry but this is rediculous. Maybe another misunderstanding of what words mean?
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...cid=mm6950e2_w
Summary


What is already known about this topic?

On December 11, 2020, the Food and Drug Administration issued an Emergency Use Authorization for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.

What is added by this report?

On December 12, 2020, after an explicit, evidence-based review of all available data, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) issued an interim recommendation for use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in persons aged ?16 years for the prevention of COVID-19.

What are the implications for public health practice?

The recommendation for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine should be implemented in conjunction with ACIP’s interim recommendation for allocating initial supplies of COVID-19 vaccines.


So they really authorized a "Vaccine" that they also specifically said has no evidence of stopping transmission but only evidence of stopping covid19 symptoms to be used to prevent covid19? There is zero evidence showing pfizer vaccine prevents covid19 and moderna apparently handed in something that wasn't complete and didn't really show it stopped it either. So with no evidence showing this will do what it's authorized for they determined the benefits out way any risk at least that's the the panel said about modernas.


This is interesting too from the CDC report linked.

From the GRADE evidence assessment, the level of certainty for the benefits of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine
was type 1 (high certainty) for the prevention of symptomatic
COVID-19. Evidence was type 3 (low certainty) for the esti-
mate of prevention of COVID-19–associated hospitalization
and type 4 (very low certainty) for the estimate of prevention
of death. Data on hospitalizations and deaths are limited at
this time, but a vaccine that effectively prevents symptom-
atic infection is expected to also prevent hospitalizations
and deaths. Regarding potential harms after vaccination,
evidence was type 2 (moderate certainty) for serious adverse
events and type 1 (high certainty) for reactogenicity. No data
were available to assess the efficacy for prevention of asymp-
tomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection


Another good read showing asymptomatic covid infections have higher viral load and while they haven't studied it believe it could be part of transmission problem.
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/l...vid19-patients

[usmcveteran]

Ok I'm done on this rant lol. I think Ive found enough information to come to the conclusion that there is no way in hell I'm taking anything that doesn't have any evidence to support it can do what it was authorized to do using a fast tracked process meaning less data and over site. Plus the 5 severe reactions so far that never happened during the trial itself are a bit worrisome.

[WARFAB]

Then the next question is: why the talk about requiring people to carry some sort of ID card that shows proof of vaccination, if the "vaccine" doesn't actually change anything about the Covid infection situation or safety requirements?

Here's your vaccine documentation; it grants you absolutely zero benefits.

[usmcveteran]

Then the next question is: why the talk about requiring people to carry some sort of ID card that shows proof of vaccination, if the "vaccine" doesn't actually change anything about the Covid infection situation or safety requirements?

Here's your vaccine documentation; it grants you absolutely zero benefits.

Damn it you got me going again lol. I didn't hear about the cards.
https://www.cnet.com/health/covid-19...heyll-be-used/

"Does the COVID-19 vaccination card exempt me from wearing a mask or social distancing? No. Even after you receive both doses of the coronavirus vaccine, it's still recommended by the CDC that you continue to wear a mask while in public and social distance. "Experts need to understand more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide," the CDC says, before it can make a decision on when to end mask wearing and social distancing."

What do you mean CDC needs to understand more about the protection this vaccine provides? By definition on the CDC website a vaccine gives you immunity. Right below that it defines immunity as being protected from the virus.

Oh that's right, they only have limited evidence period and that evidence doesn't say it stops asymptomatic cases and it only prevents SYMPTOMS.

Those card will sure come in handy during the largest scale human experimentation in history I bet for tracking how they did before they come out with the next generation ones lol.

No thanks

[usmcveteran]

Norm DeGuerre so what are my defenses lol. Religious exemption is no longer legal in NYS. I'm thinking the fact that the 2 approved shots don't meet definition of vaccine for starters follow by the fact the emergency use authorization for them is for the PREVENTION of covid and again there is no evidence to support it prevents asymptomatic covid therefore it doesn't stop covid and does not serve purpose it was authorized for. Contentious objection? Non consent to being experimented on?

[WARFAB]

A new strain means new lockdowns. Lather, rinse, repeat until you control everything and everyone.

On Saturday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced new restrictions because of the new strain. Several European Union countries and Canada were banning or limiting some flights from the U.K. to try to limit any spread.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-n...-what-we-know/

The strain is also concerning because it has so many mutations — nearly two dozen — and some are on the spiky protein that the virus uses to attach to and infect cells. That spike is what current vaccines target.

A bigger worry is when a virus mutates by changing the proteins on its surface to help it escape from drugs or the immune system.

"Emerging evidence" suggests that may be starting to happen with the new coronavirus, Trevor Bedford, a biologist and genetics expert at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, wrote on Twitter. "We've now seen the emergence and spread of several variants" that suggest this, and some show resistance to antibody treatments, he noted.

The sooner everyone accepts the fact that we're all going to get this bug, the sooner we can stop the erosion of our liberties and return to living life. But there's a shocking number of people who think they can avoid getting it, and that the government will keep them from getting it.

[usmcveteran]

I've been talking to people today and asking them a simple question. Pfizer had over 330,000 participants in there trial. What percentage of them do you think we're included in the safety data for the vaccine and what is the minimum number do you think they would use?

People are surprised when I tell them only 10% of participants were included in safety data because there was a due date in October for that information.

[WARFAB]

Now they're saying there's a new strain in South Africa that is scarier than the new strain in the UK. Apparently this strain is getting children sick too.

It doesn't look like this is going to stop any time soon. The major urban centers are done.

[usmcveteran]

Wow hadn't seen that yet.

[usmcveteran]

If you're interested google how many cases china has had and currently has

[usmcveteran]

In case anyone needed another example of the government lying to people https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...90-percent.amp .

Basically dr fauci admits he thinks herd immunity will need 90% vaccination probably but he has been changing the official estimate upwards towards reality as more people seem to be willing to get it.

Don't remember where but I saw another article about how to convince people to get vaccinated and they actually said in this case shaming people probably isn't the most effective way and that you should actually listen and address concerns people have .

[WARFAB]

Basically dr fauci admits he thinks herd immunity will need 90% vaccination probably....

A: Herd immunity is determined based on how contagious a disease is. The more contagious the disease, the higher the percentage of the population that needs to have developed immunity to end the disease. Measles is far more contagious than the main strain of Covid and requires about 90% of the population to be immune to stop it. So basic logic says Covid won't require 90% immunity.

B: Does the mRNA vaccine even provide the immunity necessary to stop the disease, or does it just eliminate symptoms while still allowing disease transmission? If it doesn't actually provide immunity, then Fauci's playing with the numbers is dishonest either way. If it does provide immunity, then why would people who get ithe vaccine still be required to wear masks and maintain social distancing?

[usmcveteran]

Dr fauci also made public statements about flying to north pole which violate guidelines AND personally vaccinating santa clause and ensuring he has proper immunity.

I'm just saying lol