Various Training I'd Be Interested In

[Jimbo_79]

Ok, some things I've been thinking about for a while and I can't think of a better place to ask questions than NYSG!

1. Firearms training for self defense. I can operate most firearms for basic target practice. Sight picture etc. One thing I would like to learn is training for self defense, either in public or at my house. What little I have seen (thanks to some DVD the NRA sent me years ago) is you want to know your house and where the tactical advantage is in every room. Also, from a different source is if you use deadly force in your home or in public what are the chances of being convicted by a jury in a place that is not gun friendly. My question is what courses and/or material would you guys and gals recommend? I don't have my pistol permit as of yet (although I plan to) so I know some pistol training is out.

2. What would you all recommend for hand to hand defense training? I have heard some people say "just kick'em in the nuts or punch'em in the throat" but what type of training would you suggest to neutralize a threat in public or private as quickly as possible without the use of deadly force? Many moons ago I did do a little bit of MMA training with a few people but that was so long ago I can only remember a few things and sometimes I wonder how useful is that in a real situation.

These questions may seem kinda odd or "green" for some of you and honestly a few years ago I didn't think much of it but as of late it's been bugging me more often. I don't venture into the city that much but the thought always crosses my mind on what to do if someone or multiple people try to assault my wife or myself. The city aside there is always the chance of an encounter in the "quiet burbs".

I'm just not sure where to start with anything? What type of training, cost involved etc. I've always been a firm believer in good fundamentals first as that's served me well in my profession. I'm not a huge guy as those of you who have met me can attest to. So, what do you all think?

Oh, one thing I have been trying really hard on for the past couple of years is my situation awareness. I always try to locate the exits in any new building I enter and I try to scan any room I'm in looking at people, their mannerisms, body language and demeanor. It's amazing how much you can pick up about a person from how they act rather than what they say.

[usmcveteran]

Great questions!
I am actually going to bed soon but in the next week I will try to get out a couple threads on my opinions of home clearing (get a gas blow back airsoft pistol because you don't need permit and will be helpful for training at home and others in safety), drawing from holster, and situational awareness and some ideas of things you can try if approached on the street.

[Jimbo_79]

Great questions!
I am actually going to bed soon but in the next week I will try to get out a couple threads on my opinions of home clearing (get a gas blow back airsoft pistol because you don't need permit and will be helpful for training at home and others in safety), drawing from holster, and situational awareness and some ideas of things you can try if approached on the street.

Awesome USMC!!! I have a couple of CO2 blowback pellet pistols on my wishlist with Pyramid Air that maybe I can get in few months. In the meantime I have a Gamo PT-80 I purchased from DrgnFly over a year ago that is mostly metal so it has some weight to it like a real pistol. Would that help?

[usmcveteran]

I would personally suggest airsoft only because the bb's are plastic and not metal. The reason why that is important is because you could yourself or have someone set up targets around the house and practice clearing it and shooting them and airsoft is less likely to damage stuff.

The pellets guns though would still be great at working on fundamentals though like sight picture, trigger control and all that.

[Meketrefe]

For hand gun defense I suggest defensive pistol training weekly if you can. IDPA type of circuits with diferent situations and challenges and with close supervision from experts.
Anybody benefits from this as it is a perishable skill.

For hand to hand training you want something simple and effective. I think one could assist to aikido that is also nice to adquire some very nice discipline and habits but might
want to mix that with something like systema and then later a bit of full contact krav maga if you find someone good. I would think any will give you a good start better to have
something than nothing. Even after you do all those might want to find a partner to practice how to fight on the ground like judo or jujutsu. Any of these will give a great baseline
and suplement very well each other. I liked Aikido because it is very flexible and also there is a strong spirutual component (like taichi) that helps with other things in life including
shooting, skiing, etc...

[EvilD]

IDPA IS NOT FUKKING TRAINING! Its a fukkin game like USPSA but stupid gay rules.

[24Pink14Stink]

IDPA IS NOT FUKKING TRAINING! Its a fukkin game like USPSA but stupid gay rules.

So you don't like it?

[thughes]

One thing to seriously consider regarding clearing your own home, training for tactical advantage in each room, etc.......as soon as you make that decision to leave the safety of your safe room (barricaded in a bedroom for instance) and actually start moving through the house actively looking for the intruder, you have now become the "aggressor" and all bets are off when you are in front of the jury trying to justify "self defense". (the exception being if you there is a family member somewhere else in the house that you are trying to protect)

[EvilD]

So you don't like it?

I didn't say that

[usmcveteran]

Make sure to read Article 35 for yourself and maybe even consider consulting an Attorney beforehand.

It appears to me besides self defense another justification to deadly force in your home is if its necessary to stop the crime. So if they fail to leave and stop stealing your stuff in your home you are allowed to use deadly force. Now in that case shooting person in the back would probably be ok because we are not talking about a threat to your life but rather stopping the crime from continuing.

§ 35.20 Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises and in defense of a person in the course of burglary.

3. A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such burglary. http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$PEN35.20$ $@TXPEN035.20+&LIST=LAW+&BROWSER=BROWSER+&TOKEN=49 879465+&TARGET=VIEW


I am not saying if you should or should not kill someone over stuff rather just pointing out another justification other then self defense.

[Celt]

IDPA IS NOT FUKKING TRAINING! Its a fukkin game like USPSA but stupid gay rules.

now these are the kind of EvilD posts I remember from days of old.... cant understand most of it, but i see the point..


I would highly recommend taking some MDTS classes, I took 1 last year, but my goal is to take at least 2 a year.

http://www.mdtstraining.com/

its a little early for a full 2015 schedule, but check it out.

as for what you can do at home... Well, there are literally 1000's of videos on youtube, I have watched many of them, then I practice/train on my own. I do live fire training when I can (which is about once a month) but I train with a high end airsoft Glock 19 replica on a much more regular basis.

training around the house at day, and in the night is important. its like running a fire drill, and you can do it in only a few minutes. Develope a plan with your family too, such as what room they should go to in the event of a break in, etc... let your wife know to get on the phone with 911, keep the kids quiet, while you clear the house.

as for any type of hand to hand training, anything will be good, but Krav Maga may be a good option. again, anything in your area would be fine.

another thing to consider is a good fitness program, you really need to keep yourself physically fit so that you can handle anything that comes your way.

[24Pink14Stink]

I recommend taking a class for sure. I took a defensive shotgun class this summer and the instructor had me refining my home defense plans almost immediately. If nothing else, it gets you thinking.

[Schmendrick]

I train regularly with my blowback airsoft. I am not a mall ninja, but I do go down to the basement and shoot at a target. I practice things that I have picked up from Chris at MDTS and other training classes. I wish I had the weather and a backyard range like Hikock45 or NutNFancy, but I dont...

I will admit that I have run at least two "intruder drills" with the wife in the middle of the night. She was not happy. But admitted that it was good practice.

Teaching others about situational awareness will highten your awareness too. Ever watch Psych? (love that show)

[Cgrutt]

Hey Timmy. Nice to see your name around these parts! Glad you made it. Welcome to the show...

[Schmendrick]

Thanks for the invite. Nice to see a good crew around here!