Passed in the middle of the night but not yet implemented 4 years later....

[thughes]

As of January 1, 2017, NY permit holders (outside of NYC and communist counties that already require it) who received their permit prior to 2013 will have to "recertify" their permits. This will be handled by the NYSP via a website or snail mail although as of December 13th, 2016 there is no website in place and no information regarding the procedure available. The county clerks are calling BS because they have met with the NYSP for answers earlier this year and didn't get any.

Not sure how to handle this, ideally I would like to see a wholesale non-compliance movement telling the NYSP to f uck off but I have no idea how to organize something like that and am pretty sure there are too many fudds to actually be able to pull it off anyway. I suppose the best hope for any type of protest would be to get everybody to "recertify" by snail mail and wait until the last possible day to have the paperwork postmarked.

I would be willing to bet that, while the deadline is January 31 2018 (giving the NYSP another full year to get set up), that piece of PePePePeshittatatata lap dog D'Amico will come out with another "This is on hold until further notice" announcement. Hey cuomo, f uck you too!


http://www.whec.com/news/pistol-perm...42682/?cat=565

[WARFAB]

Did anyone ever hear how the permit renewal went in the "pilot counties"? I thought the Albany area was already supposed to have gone through all of this. No idea if the state sent out notices even though they didn't have the website up yet or what happened. There's also the chance that the state sent out notices and nobody did anything because they have until 2018 to do it. Either way, I haven't heard a peep from anyone about it. As with everything else, if it went smoothly I'm assuming they'd be shouting it from the rooftops.

[thughes]

http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/news/...ts-of-safe-act

[thughes]

Consider that there are 32,000 permit holders in Niagara County alone, that means there are literally hundreds of thousands of permit holders in NYS. FYNYSP!

http://www.wkbw.com/news/uncertainty...ecertification

[blackpowdershooter30]

The pilot program absolutely flopped and was pretty much doa on arrival. Reguardless of the fudds of the state the non compliance of this provision of the law will be on par with the so called "assault weapons" registration. "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." Thomas Jefferson. I've posted this quote a ton of times and it's just as relevant today as it was when he said it. Andy I hope your listening because I'd love to see you try and take people's guns because the tree of liberty needs to refreshed and the only way to do that is the with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

[thughes]

Hey BPS, we're meeting at Sticky Lips in Henrietta at Noon this Friday if you can make it....

[WARFAB]

Reguardless of the fudds of the state the non compliance of this provision of the law will be on par with the so called "assault weapons" registration.

I hope you're right.

I'm also hoping Andy has to issue yet another "memorandum of understanding" regarding the permit renewal.

Either scenario will make me happy.

Hall reminds gun owners the recertification transaction is between the State Police and the pistol permit holder, not the county. The State Police will contact the pistol permit holder to resolve any discrepancies between the application and their existing records.

According to information Hall has gathered, the goal of the State Police is to create a database for use by law enforcement, licensing officers, and mental health. All applications will be cross checked against the data bases of the DMV, mental health, and federal criminal data files.

Once the recertification application is accepted, the permit holder will receive a letter stating that their permit has been recertified. There will be no requirement that a permit holder carry proof of recertification.

This is rather interesting. I'm going to guess that manpower to handle all of this is going to be an issue considering the numbers of permit holders we're talking about. Either it isn't going to get done or it's going to take so long to get done that it's a joke. There's also all kinds of potential for serious lawsuits to occur if someone gets their permit revoked, or the police take too long, or any other number of scenarios.

This is the first time that I've heard you won't need to carry proof of recertification. Without a solid database that is accessible to individual officers in their patrol cars, what's the point? If no proof of recert is necessary, then that limits the enforcement options to sending letters that ask "pretty please" or revoking permits and sending police to get the guns. As others have pointed out, pistol permits don't have expiration dates on them. Unless a database gets set up at the county or state level, this renewal requirement might as well be part of a Super Poligrip commercial.

I'm becoming increasingly optimistic that this part of the law was DOA just like the ammo background checks. Nobody registered their "assault weapons" and nothing happened. If similar numbers of people renew their pistol permits and nothing happens, a lot of people might see that the emperor is butt naked. Congratulations Andy. Your attempt to make the pistol permitting process more cumbersome might make the whole thing seem like a joke to law abiding citizens. Next step will be attacking The Sullivan Act.

[camper4lyfe]

I don't have my CCW, but fully intend on renewing my permit, by snail mail, multiple times, at the last minute.

[Norm DeGuerre]

. FYNYSP!
]

thug, just love your vindictiveness ..

there is safety in numbers, but these prosecutions are always one man against .Gov
question:
if 80% of gun owners refuse to "re-certify", does the Law represent the Will of the People ..?

Having an existing P.P. would be an Affirmative defense, although no doubt every P.o.S.District Attorneys will all be "in for the Win"
lotsa publicity for taking "illegal" items "off the streets"

I will explain a bit more in a response to BPS

[Norm DeGuerre]

This part of the law was DOA


Next step will be attacking The Sullivan Act


.

there is an adage "Laws may sleep, but never die"

I see absolutely nothing happening with the Sullivan Act.

NYSPRA is a collection of brain dead pussies
we got the ol' Rah-Rah act from Max Tresmond and Rick Bombardo "we need donations" send before midnight tonight ..!!!

Yep .. lawyer bullschidt
not a thing has happened to the best of my knowledge

[blackpowdershooter30]

Ok and riddle me this how will the Sullivan act hold up to national receiprocity of pistol permits especially with constitutional states that allows the second amendment to be their permits

[Norm DeGuerre]

The pilot program absolutely flopped and was pretty much doa on arrival. Reguardless of the fudds of the state the non compliance of this provision of the law will be on par with the so called "assault weapons" registration. "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." Thomas Jefferson. I've posted this quote a ton of times and it's just as relevant today as it was when he said it. Andy I hope your listening because I'd love to see you try and take people's guns because the tree of liberty needs to refreshed and the only way to do that is the with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

glad you came by, BPS ..

the crux of the issue is a State's right to Regulation for the welfare of the people

here in New York you have been forced under duress to agree to be Regulated in exchange for the opportunity to purchase a handgun, or to possess such lawfully owned property from another STATE .... "in this STATE" of the STATE of NEW YORK

you have legal title to such property, not equity title as a result of this

essentially, you have the possession, and use of the property, but the STATE retains the right of disposition
example: you need to transfer it with a BGC to another PP holder through a FFL

since you have now "registered" said Handgun as regulated property, you are totally screwed (sorry for the bad vibes,, WARFAB)

you were never given the opportunity to agree to be Regulated, it was done by Vi et Armis, literally by Force of Arms
get a PP or go to jail

I do not ever expect anything will change in New York as the downSTATE fix is in forever

[Norm DeGuerre]

Ok and riddle me this how will the Sullivan act hold up to national receiprocity of pistol permits especially with constitutional states that allows the second amendment to be their permits

You need STATE PP to have reciprocity
since you are a STATE OF NEW YORK RESIDENT
again, you lose

[Norm DeGuerre]

personally, I surmise that new York will ignore any Federal ruling
on the small chance that that ever happens

[usmcveteran]

I hate this stupid recertification thing which we don't need and just wastes time and money. Just like keeping all those cases from firearms when we bought them.

Why not add an exemption to the recertification process..... Buy a firearm once every 5 years and your good?