What do you think of this upper for a NY compliant competition rifle?

[Calculon]

The monster man is not even an option. I don't know what that is supposed to be and see it as an accident waiting to happen.
The spur is also another useless option in practical terms imo.
The exile can work but in needs to be rebated a tad specially for people with small hands.
The FRS I don't see any problems with it. It looks funny but it actually works great.It is not better nor worse than a rifle grip and the stock is in line with the bore as originally intended.
There are other options too.

Any recos?

[Meketrefe]

Hopefully not a thread hijack - anyone have thoughts about nitride vs chromed barrels?

With a good nitrocarburized barrel you have zero increment to the bore since the treatment goes inside the metal at the molecular level.
The key is to find a nitrocarburized barrel (also known as melonite) that is done right. We see them more now but not everyone is doing it right.
The other alternative are high quality stainless steel that might be blackened out side. Both options superior to chrome in accuracy and consistency.
This doesn't mean that anything that is stainless or melonite is superior to anything with chrome. The first thing is to start wiht a good barrel stock and
this is something not everyone is doing, specially budget bottom of the barrel guns and AR kits.
Melonite barrels might require extra cleaning and a bit more break in at first but eventually a well done melonited barrel becomes a great surface for the bores
and for the outside treatment as well.
Many BR competition shooters have been using nitrocarburized high end barrels for many years now. It is only lately this finishing process is becoming more
popular as more companies are setup to offer this treatment too.
Hammer forging and chrome is a good way to make high volume barrels with a good quality but not the best barrels a maker can virtually produce.
Chrome still is a good option for the military and average rifle but there are superior options to mil spec in almost everything.
Mil spec still a very decent standard but it also depends on what one wants to do.

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Thanks meke!

[dwa12479]

The Thordson looks hideous, but it's actually pretty comfortable. I put one on a build a couple years ago as a cheap range gun to just take out and punch paper. An ambi safety is a must.

[ADK2ndClub]

I would definitely pass on a receiver with no forward assist. This upper has no BCG, which really isn't all that big of a deal, but that will be an extra expense.

7 years in the military and I never used the foward assist, any malfunctions were do to old mags that should of been retired a long time ago.

[Meketrefe]

The forward assist is not that critical but still works. When reloading loads to max coal and score competition shooters will give it a nudge. I use it.
In the military I didn't use it mainly because I didn't have one in my rifle (H&K).

[dwa12479]

7 years in the military and I never used the foward assist, any malfunctions were do to old mags that should of been retired a long time ago.

Just a personal opinion for me. I like the idea of being able to force a bolt into battery on a battle rifle.

[ADK2ndClub]

...and for what it's worth, none of the above have actually been officially approved as "NY compliant". Did I mention I hate this goddam state?

Officially legal or not It hasn't stoped gander mountain from selling them for 1800, and the same ares scr i can buy online and ship to my local ffl for under 900 they want 1500 for off the shelf.

[ADK2ndClub]

Just a personal opinion for me. I like the idea of being able to force a bolt into battery on a battle rifle.

I get it, especially for competition but for a true battle rifle i may have to carry all day I would perfer To cut any extra weight i can.

[Meketrefe]

Officially legal or not It hasn't stoped gander mountain from selling them for 1800, and the same ares scr i can buy online and ship to my local ffl for under 900 they want 1500 for off the shelf.

Exactly. People would not be selling them if they were not legal. So with or w/o more reassurance from some goon in the state capital it is now too late to consider them illegal. They have been sold and widely adopted. Technically they are featureless so whatever anyone's opinion on this it doesn't matter anymore. They are a good alternative, perhaps the best for people who invested in the AR platform.

[big flash]

some ideas...

If you are going to do 3 gun I would start with a quality 3 gun barrel that will be more accurate than a chrome barrel and will last more than twice anyway...
http://ar15performance.com/inc/sdetail/11562/32764

9310 super bolt matched to that barrel...
http://ar15performance.com/inc/sdetail/3255/29257

This upper will work just fine...
http://www.surplusammo.com/STP1-T-A-F-D-C/

Great handguard for the money...
http://www.chandlerhardwoods.com/product-p/ar15-15v.htm

BTE gas block. very nice cuts and fit...
http://www.bte-usa.com/#!bte-micro-gas-blocks/c1du

Nice Meke!

question though, can one just weld a thread protector on that barrel to make it compliant?

[Meketrefe]

Nice Meke!

question though, can one just weld a thread protector on that barrel to make it compliant?

Thanks. This is just a small example. There are many other great parts. I like the threads to be 5/8 vs 1/2 that
in my opinion they should have never existed even with the 22 caliber. It doesn't leave enough meat around
the cfown and eventually crown swelling is not helping with accuracy.
No need to weld, just a small blind pin in the join that is stronger and it doesn't damage the threads.
Welding was never needed in NYS but if one wants to weld then it is ok too.

[big flash]

makes sense. i was even thinking of something like this BA barrel that is on sale this week for a similar build:
http://ballisticadvantage.com/16-inc...eid=e9c459da71

[Meketrefe]

makes sense. i was even thinking of something like this BA barrel that is on sale this week:
http://ballisticadvantage.com/16-inc...eid=e9c459da71

IMO 1/2 threads is a mistake. Also it would be nice to know who actually makes "our stainless premium" barrels. For that cost it cannot be any premium source for barrel stock even before chambering. In the ARP barrels the maker is Douglas and the melonite is well done. We know from experience from many of us here in this and other forums.

For a top of the line barrel it doesn't get any better than Lothar Walter, Krieger, Noveske (upscale from pac-nor in polygonal), lilja, shilen super match and a few others that are more expensive.
Look at this one. I think prices for what you get are right... http://www.lothar-walther.com/473.php
In these cases you might be able to order barrels with 5.8 threads or with traget crowns for communist ny.
All those are the best barrels accuracy wise becaus the starting bar stock is also the best for bolt action high end rifles.
This doesn't mean that there arent others that are good barrels like the fulton that aside from krieger for their high end rigs they also have the criterium line that does very well.
Even the rock river arms and stag SS barrels are very good for the money but cannot really compare with the above high end ones.

I enjoy accuracy so for me, something that can shoot the best bullets and shoot the best it can be from the get go is more imprortant than saving 100 or 200 bucks.
In the end if I compare this vs. the cost of the ammo that I am going to put through that barrel the difference in original price is insignificant and I am going enjoy it a lot more.

These are my directives for the AR:

- Stay away form 1/2 threads at the muzzle. 5/8 minimum otherwise target. Same for bolt action.
- stay away form carbine ported barrels and M4 type cuts and slots. Another thing that should have never existed in the AR.
- Get a high end bolt whenever possible to match the chamber with the tightest possible fit, specially for target.
- Melonite is great for a long term, beater carbine but also SS high end for target including long range.
- Stay away from set screw gas blocks. A good steel made clamp is the best seal and uniformity all around.
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Again, these are just preferences I have not 100% necessary for the average use but if one wants to do some additional exploration in the AR capabilities
some of these ideas are worth exploring IMO.