Spikes Tactical Crusader Rifle

[WARFAB]

I recognize that being a resident of New Yorkistan gives me a distorted view of black rifle prices, but this seems like a pretty nice setup for $1400.

http://www.spikestactical.com/crusad...-2-p-1319.html

I wonder if certain limited edition black rifles like this will become collectibles in the future.

[GUNSICK]

I like the handguard. Too expensive for me I would rather build from scratch. Only 1/8 twist with a Wylde chamber for me. It don't think it will ever have any collectibility value because there is nothing really special about it.

[Meketrefe]

A national match with an upgraded floating rail will do the same as the above and perhaps more. So I do not see any reason to spend that much.
Even with a lothar walter or krieger barrel building one will come a tad below that price point.
And the RRA 2 stage trigger can be tuned to 2lbs if you want and super krisp.

[WARFAB]

Only 1/8 twist with a Wylde chamber for me.

What's your objection to a 1:7?

It don't think it will ever have any collectibility value because there is nothing really special about it.

I'm just trying to figure out how the gun market is going to be in 25 years. These days it seems like "collectible" means mil-surp or wood and blued steel only. With plastic pistols and rifles becoming more of the norm these days, either there will cease to be any new firearms that become "collectible", or certain plastic firearms will become collectible. "Nothing special about it" could be said for the majority of the modern plastic/alloy pistols and rifles, so this one seems to stand out as much as any for collectibility.

[GUNSICK]

That twist is better suited to heavier ammo that I never shoot. 1/8 shoots both 55gr and 62gr great for me. It's the middle of the road so it works for me.

[Meketrefe]

1:7 is a rate too fast even for the militray. They only put them to assure the tracers do not show problems at long distances.
If you want to shoot some 90gr VLDs then that is a better twist but these are too much bullet for the 223 case, even the AI case.
I would like 1:7 some of the 82gr vld or 80gr amax if you are going to shoot long distance. But for everything else including most
80gr and 77gr the 1:8 will work just fine and with a little less torque and friction. The extra twist is not necessariy bad but if you
consider shooting some 50gr varmint ammo then the twist might be too much. I use quality ammo and bullets but I have seen
jacket separation thust distitegrating in the air as a result of too much twist and speed.
At the same time I think 1:9 is good for many people but a mistake so 1:8 seems right. Also many good barrels around
because of the national match demand. Perhaps the ideal twist would be 1:7.7 or 1:7.5 but we wil not see many of those only
a few high end makers make those.
I think the 1:8 should be the standard including bolt rifles.
But again, it depends on objectives and what one wants to do.

There is little collectible value in modern ARs. They are the brick and mortar at this point, just simple tools.

[WARFAB]

Even for the heavy bullets I compete with, it seems like 1:7.7 is enough to handle anything I'd want. This clearly won't be a long range rifle, so 1:7 seems excessive, but does the carbine length make any difference? RPMs for stability vary based on bullet velocity. Would the lower velocity of a carbine length barrel be the rationale for the faster twist so that things stay stable longer?

[Meketrefe]

Even for the heavy bullets I compete with, it seems like 1:7.7 is enough to handle anything I'd want. This clearly won't be a long range rifle, so 1:7 seems excessive, but does the carbine length make any difference? RPMs for stability vary based on bullet velocity. Would the lower velocity of a carbine length barrel be the rationale for the faster twist so that things stay stable longer?

Yes, speed is also part of the equation but 1:7 was established because some 5.56 tracers are hard to stabilize.
I don't see anything wrong with a 1:7 twist but I do see a lot of things wrong with the typical M4 carbine length barrel.
The carbine porting and the 1/2 threads should have never existed and people keep buying those. But what do they care right?

[GUNSICK]

This rifle has seemed to stir up the PePeshittata!

A new assault rifle being manufactured in central Florida has drawn fire after the gunmaker branded it the “Crusader” and said it was designed “to never be used by Muslim terrorists.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/04...?intcmp=hplnws

[WARFAB]

My guess is Spikes will be laughing all the way to the bank withe the publicity they're getting.

[Meketrefe]

there are alwasys those stupid enough to pay that much extra for nothing.

[WARFAB]

there are alwasys those stupid enough to pay that much extra for nothing.

Welcome to the US consumer goods market.

[Meketrefe]

Welcome to the US consumer goods market.

The US is not as bad. you should see some people in Europe.
Some still think the BMW 750 is the best car in the world.

[Togmaster]

I just named my new AR "The Crusader"

[Meketrefe]

Mine is called "Tizona" and I grease the carrier with bacon fat.