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    Startling Facts About Barrel Life

    Barrels Lose Accuracy After a Few Seconds of Bullet-in-Barrel Time

    Here’s a little known fact that may startle most readers, even experienced gunsmiths: your barrel wears out in a matter of seconds. The useful life of a typical match barrel, in terms of actual bullet-in-barrel time, is only a few seconds. How can that be, you ask? Well you need to look at the actual time that bullets spend traveling through the bore during the barrel’s useful life. (Hint: it’s not very long).

    Bullet-Time-in-Barrel Calculations
    If a bullet flies at 3000 fps, it will pass through a 24″ (two-foot) barrel in 1/1500th of a second. If you have a useful barrel life of 3000 rounds, that would translate to just two seconds of actual bullet-in-barrel operating time.

    Ah, but it’s not that simple. Your bullet starts at zero velocity and then accelerates as it passes through the bore, so the projectile’s average velocity is not the same as the 3000 fps muzzle velocity. So how long does a centerfire bullet (with 3000 fps MV) typically stay in the bore? The answer is about .002 seconds. This number was calculated by Varmint Al, who is a really smart engineer dude who worked at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, a government think tank that develops neutron bombs, fusion reactors and other simple stuff.

    On his Barrel Tuner page, Varmint Al figured out that the amount of time a bullet spends in a barrel during firing is under .002 seconds. Al writes: “The approximate time that it takes a 3300 fps muzzle velocity bullet to exit the barrel, assuming a constant acceleration, is 0.0011 seconds. Actual exit times would be longer since the bullet is not under constant acceleration.”

    We’ll use the .002 number for our calculations here, knowing that the exact number depends on barrel length and muzzle velocity. But .002 is a good average that errs, if anything, on the side of more barrel operating life rather than less.


    So, if a bullet spends .002 seconds in the barrel during each shot, and you get 3000 rounds of accurate barrel life, how much actual firing time does the barrel deliver before it loses accuracy? That’s simple math: 3000 x .002 seconds = 6 seconds.


    Gone in Six Seconds. Want to Cry Now?
    Six seconds. That’s how long your barrel actually functions (in terms of bullet-in-barrel shot time) before it “goes south.” Yes, we know some barrels last longer than 3000 rounds. On the other hand, plenty of .243 Win and 6.5-284 barrels lose accuracy in 1500 rounds or less. If your barrel loses accuracy at the 1500-round mark, then it only worked for three seconds! Of course, if you are shooting a “long-lived” .308 Win that goes 5000 rounds before losing accuracy, then you get a whopping TEN seconds of barrel life. Any way you look at it, a rifle barrel has very little longevity, when you consider actual firing time.

    People already lament the high cost of replacing barrels. Now that you know how short-lived barrels really are, you can complain even louder. Of course our analysis does give you even more of an excuse to buy a nice new Bartlein, Krieger, Shilen etc. barrel for that fine rifle of yours.

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    The maffs hurt my head...
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    • #3
      Interesting post never thought about it like that before. Welcome to the site.

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      • #4
        Please keep posting this type stuff up, I find it interesting and useful. Feel free to post up some shooting tips/advice for us CMP guys too.
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        • #5
          If I post more can I move up from Pea Shooter? TH, I would encourage you to put up a forum section called Ask The Coach or something similar. There are several of us 'dark side" guys coming over that can offer advice or answer question on High Power and Long Range competition.

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            Yes title changes with post count. In a few I will start up that section, great idea!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Liberty's Teeth View Post
              If I post more can I move up from Pea Shooter? TH, I would encourage you to put up a forum section called Ask The Coach or something similar. There are several of us 'dark side" guys coming over that can offer advice or answer question on High Power and Long Range competition.
              Working on your title, keep posting. We need to get Warfab to impart some wisdom as well. I'm sure the powers that be will consider your suggestion (that would be cgrutt and usmcveteran)
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              I have to bend over too far

              I get a boner.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Liberty's Teeth View Post
                If I post more can I move up from Pea Shooter? TH, I would encourage you to put up a forum section called Ask The Coach or something similar. There are several of us 'dark side" guys coming over that can offer advice or answer question on High Power and Long Range competition.
                Sure, what title do you want? We'll give you you're own section if you want it just let us know. Looking to build strong, usable content. You bring the teeth but we don't bite, lol. Just let us know what you want and we'll set you up. Good stuff. Thanks for joining.

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                • #9
                  I like "Pea Shooter" for the new guys.
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                  I get a boner.

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                  I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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                  • #10
                    Great post. I love thinking about stuff like that.
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                    • #11
                      Happy to be here, besides the other side sucks!!!! Willie (Warfab) and I along with a couple others would be able to help mod a competition section. TH as you are aware, everyone knows three gun and all that IPSIC, IDPA stuff but few are aware of the joy of "as issued", match rifle and vintage sniper mil target shooting so it would be a pleasure to help out and introduce it to those interested. Speaking of vintage sniper, just rubbed one out (hand load that is) that is a tack driver in the 1941 Marine sniper. I will post up some target shots from my next range session.
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                      • #12
                        Pics? (of gun, not the hand load that you just rubbed out). Post 'em up in the C&R or rifle section.
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                        I have to bend over too far

                        I get a boner.

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                        • #13
                          Wow, I never would have guessed it would be such a short amount of time....
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                          • #14
                            Nice info, but the font is reeeeaaly small. Hard to read.

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                            • #15
                              When determining barrel life there is more to it. In terms of the accuracy life in small for caliber bores ( lets say a 243w) the accuracy is lost faster initially at the throat due to heat induced erosion so even with slower starting velocities and long barrels most of the erosion occurs at the throat much faster. That is why one could take what the market calls a "burned" barrel and you can cut, reface, rethread and rechamber and get another decent shooting life out of that barrel. Even after competition some are recut and used for carbines or pistols with great accuracy. High end competitors do not do this because they want to invest in every single variable that helps them win matches. But folks seeking top accuracy go with these expensive barrels like Lothar Walther, Scheneider, Brux, Krieger, Hart, Bartlein, Rock, etc... But in any case the cost of the barrel, even a high end is completely shadowed by the cost of quality ammunition. Like some folks worry about expensive AR barrels because they want accuracy and when you analyze they can cost less than 500 rounds of decent ammunition, not even the best match ammo.

                              Aside from the caliber, metal, rifling, heat and speed also the type of powders and bullets have a huge impact in barrel life. For example, cheap russian ammunition like all sort of surplus and even new manufacture use a metal jacket that in the case of the russians is thicker and harder. They can be great penetrators but the main reason, specially for budget shooting is that they are cheaper to make. This combined with dirty powders and corrosive primers substantially reduces the life of barrels but in the end is a wash because most folks shooting common eastern/russian guns and ammo are not looking for extreme accuracy in the first place. The issue with those systems is not the cost of the barrels but the labor expenses of replacing one.

                              Back to extreme accuracy, when it comes to the accuracy life of this is where metallurgical, rifling type and barrel making makes a huge difference. Specially for those top competitors and folks in the military that demand longer service life and accuracy. Lothar Walter LW50 and Scheneider produce stainless steel barrels that are cut with polygonal rifling that doesn't use a straight angle type but rather an arch for each land and groove last a lot longer. Some of these amazing barrels, for example in the case of the 308w that you mentioned are known to go for 15,000 rounds or more still with service spec accuracy.

                              So yes when it comes the value translated to seconds is interesting to see but in the end what it is really meaningful to folks is the actual count in rounds and what to expect and also how accuracy problems might be corrected including adjusting loads and seating depths or rechambering the same barrel but can be made more cost efficient depending on barrel / action system.

                              Here is where I suggest folks look at what is withing budgets so folks can shoot more with something competitive even if it is not the latest and the greatest round. The 223 is a super accurate and versatile round including long range. From a bolt action with 80gr bullets is a very modest yet fun and competitive gun with leagues on its class and barrels last a long time, specially one
                              of those quality ones. Another amazing one is the 6x45 that doesn't get much easier than that with extreme accuracy. Then the 6BR and 6.5BR wildcat. And from there the 308w although this falls short for 1000 yards competitions. The BRs or a 260 is much better.

                              As you said, cost of expensive high end barrels should be the least of one's worries. But also some barrels can last twice or three times what other high end ones last and they are in the same price ranges anyway. Only experience and shooting (a lot) shows what holds and what not.
                              Last edited by Meketrefe; 12-31-2014, 04:01 PM.
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