Suggestions on how to get an "illegal" rifle into NY legally.

[Pissed Off Patriot]

This is the rifle I want.

VEPR in 54r.




Why, might you ask? Because I have Mosins. They shoot 7.62x54r. I have lots of 54r. I want to step it up a notch.

Also, Andy-boy says I can't have one. Well, FUAC! Try and stop me, ya little pissant! So I will find a way to bring an illegal gun into New York LEGALLY, just to show him how stupid his precious little SAFE Act is! You tell me this rifle is illegal just because it has a piece of wood on the end of it that has a hole in it???!!! What if I manage to customize one so that it no longer meets NY's definition of an "assault weapon" and yet it is still functions exactly the same as the "illegal" version? How stupid will that make his PRECIOUS little SAFE Act look when his asinine law did NOTHING to stop me from buying this rifle legally?



(deep breath....... )

Now there aren't very many rifles that shoot 54r. One of them is the SVT-40. This is a historical firearm, and is illegal under the Safe Act (unless registered). It is semi-auto, has a detachable mag, a bayonet lug, and a muzzle brake. There is no way I am going to butcher a historical firearm by removing illegal features just to get it into NY legally. This leaves the VEPR in 54r. Anything else that would be an option is just a more expensive version of a VEPR.

The VEPR only has one feature that makes it illegal under the SAFE Act and that is the thumbhole stock. Get rid of that without adding any other banned features, and it should be perfectly legal to bring into NY. The only problem with this is that there aren't a lot of aftermarket accessories for the VEPR. The biggest stumbling block here is the receiver itself. Notice how the rear of the receiver is angled. This means you can't just put a traditional butt stock on it. Fortunately, there is an adapter that will convert the angled receiver to a straight receiver, and then you can put a standard AK butt stock on it. The other issue is once you convert the stock to the traditional style, you need some kind of a grip behind the trigger. Obviously, a standard pistol grip is out of the question. Illegal!

So what next?

Make some kind of a spur to put behind the trigger? No, it won't be as "comfortable" to shoot as it would be with a pistol grip, but at this point, THAT ISN'T THE POINT! I want my MOTHER-EFFIN VEPR!!! I WANT TO SPIT IN THE EYE OF ANDY'S so-called SAFE Act!


What else could I do? Epoxy in the "thumbhole" of the thumbhole stock? Now it's no longer a "thumbhole" stock. It also isn't a "pistol grip", because you can't hold it like a pistol. Again, it wouldn't be as comfortable to hold or shoot as the original configuration, but again, THAT ISN'T THE POINT! I want my MOTHER-EFFIN VEPR!!! Who knows how long you'll even be able to buy one of these if another POS anti-gun President gets elected!

Did I mention I WANT MY MOTHER-EFFIN VEPR???!!!

So I throw it out to y'all. Your thoughts?

I WILL get one, even if I have to get it custom-made. Anyone want to take bets?

[Calculon]

Ok this may not be the most elegant solution but how about adapting something like the Exile Machine Hammerhead adapter? See the attached pic - the one with the A2 style stock. It would give a traditional rifle style grip. Maybe you can find a wood stock to fit it have custom made.
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[Pissed Off Patriot]

I'm not sure how it would/could be adapted, and here's the rub. Can't try it myself until I have the rifle, and I can't have the rifle until I can legally receive it from an FFL which means it already has to be NY SAFE Act compliant. So either the seller has to make it compliant before it ships, or I have to find an FFL who is willing to make it compliant before I can own it.

I guess at this point it really comes down to what is the easiest and/or cheapest way to make it compliant so that I can LEGALLY take possession of it. The ergonomics of the compliant rifle aren't necessarily really important, as that could be fine-tuned after I take possession.

[Chicken Shoot]

Have the buttstock removed and sent to you directly. Purchase another and fill the hole with fiberglass filler and bring with you to FFL to make compliant. Pick up rifle at FFL where filled stock is attached and possibly find another stock to attach at a later date when you feel the need to upgrade. Let's see if you follow that. LOL

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Have the buttstock removed and sent to you directly. Purchase another and fill the hole with fiberglass filler and bring with you to FFL to make compliant. Pick up rifle at FFL where filled stock is attached and possibly find another stock to attach at a later date when you feel the need to upgrade. Let's see if you follow that. LOL

This seems to be the simplest solution, and the one I keep coming back to. Filling in the hole solves all the problems at once without having to buy an adapter ahead of time for the receiver, trying to fit some kind of pistol grip replacement, and generally holding up the whole FFL process.

After I have it in my hands is when I can play around with different configuration options.

[Calculon]

How about this? Solartactical.com makes compliance parts - the pic below is for a PSL and they have one for VEPR listed for $50 but no pic at
http://shop.solartactical.com/Vepr-T...Stock_c102.htm

SolarTacticalPSL.jpg

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Interesting!

[thughes]

PoP, I feel for you. I have lusted after that rifle for a few years now and am just as freaking pissed off as you about the stupidness in this state not allowing us to have one. Compliance solutions suck, and to add more insult, these solutions do nothing to alter the basic operation of the firearm (but I'm preaching to the choir at this point). If I weren't a law-abiding citizen I'd tell andyboi to fuk off and just run across the border to purchase one. Just another example of how ONCE AGAIN the unsafe act does nothing but infringe upon the rights of law-abiding citizens.

[Pissed Off Patriot]

PoP, I feel for you. I have lusted after that rifle for a few years now and am just as freaking pissed off as you about the stupidness in this state not allowing us to have one. Compliance solutions suck, and to add more insult, these solutions do nothing to alter the basic operation of the firearm (but I'm preaching to the choir at this point). If I weren't a law-abiding citizen I'd tell andyboi to fuk off and just run across the border to purchase one. Just another example of how ONCE AGAIN the unsafe act does nothing but infringe upon the rights of law-abiding citizens.

I think this is where we, as gun owners, can do more by openly flaunting our purchase of rifles such as this. Legally, of course. How better to illustrate the absurdity of of Cuomo's precious little SAFE Act than by bringing into NY the very guns he tried to ban?

I don't see prices on VEPR's going down, and over time I'm sure they will continue to go up, so in my mind, there is no reason to wait. Someday, when I move out of this anti-gun hellhole of a state, I can get one of those purdy Ironwood Design stock sets, for instance, and return my VEPR to it's former glory.



In the meantime, just as I didn't let the SAFE Act stop me from getting my Yugo AKM legally, I won't let it stop me from getting my VEPR.

[dwa12479]

I would think that filling in the thumbhole would be the best option. Not gonna be easy to keep the stock from looking all Bubba'd up though.

I see that Classic has a mag-lock option that they developed for California. I wonder how that would work for here? Take the detachable mag out of the equation and you're GTG.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/russ...chbbl54r-rifle

[Meketrefe]

I don't see anything illegal here and one would not be able to talk about those things in this forum anyway.
In the matter of compliance vs. no compliant I do think a fitted stock will work very well in the slant receiver.
If you want to do it the encore stock is perfect but you might be also able to use the magpul stock for the R870.



You will have to cut the to thonge but it is not even needed anyway.

IMO this coudl be fitted



Mossy would be a good candidtae too...




You also have contender stocks in wood to match it the best you can if you want to
keep the original look...





You could also have one cut using a mill to imitate the other VEPR stocks out there. IMO these are better stocks than the thumbhole
since one could bring the grip forward and keep a better comb height for the larger calibers. All you need is a good wood worker and
for the inlet one could use aluminum pilars and then bed it so the inlet would not have to be perfet. I would add some venting to the handguards though.

[Meketrefe]

IMO the compliant version might be a better choice....
It is not threaded so not sure if the muzzle slots count towards UNSAFE BS compliance.
But something that a steel sleeve and a pin can fix in 2 minutes.

[Pissed Off Patriot]

I would think that filling in the thumbhole would be the best option. Not gonna be easy to keep the stock from looking all Bubba'd up though.

I agree with the bubba comment 100%. Perhaps wood putty would look better as it could be somewhat stained to match the stock. Regardless, if I were to go this way, I would paint a big old "FUAC" on the spot where the hole should be.

I see that Classic has a mag-lock option that they developed for California. I wonder how that would work for here? Take the detachable mag out of the equation and you're GTG.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/russ...chbbl54r-rifle

That's an option I hadn't considered, and frankly, I'm not really interested in right now, as a detachable mag is the most important feature to a semi-auto firearm imho. Especially when the factory mag is a 5 rounder. But if I'm ever dissatisfied with whatever configuration I end up with, it's always a possibility!

[dwa12479]

That's an option I hadn't considered, and frankly, I'm not really interested in right now, as a detachable mag is the most important feature to a semi-auto firearm imho. Especially when the factory mag is a 5 rounder. But if I'm ever dissatisfied with whatever configuration I end up with, it's always a possibility!

I agree with the detachable mag as well. But I would part with it on a novelty type gun.Now the home defense and SHTF guns, no way. Must have function over form.

[Pissed Off Patriot]

IMO the compliant version might be a better choice....
It is not threaded so not sure if the muzzle slots count towards UNSAFE BS compliance.
But something that a steel sleeve and a pin can fix in 2 minutes.

Meke, the VEPR Hunter stock would be optimal, but is as rare a hensteeth. If you even managed to find one, you would probably pay dearly. Got one stashed in your closet that you aren't using? LOL

Edit: also, the VEPR Hunter stock might not be a direct fit, I'm reading something about this version having a different safety(?). I don't know enough about these, there's not much info out there about them, and they are still damned rare anyway.