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    Trump done sold us out (big surprise there).

    ATF has reclassified bump stocks as "machine guns"......you have until March 2019 to turn them in or face Federal charges.

    It ain't gonna get no better going forward kids.......buy 'em up and stack 'em deep, they'll be coming for the rest of our PePeshittata sooner or later.
    Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

    I have to bend over too far

    I get a boner.

    bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

    I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......
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    https://www.apnews.com/6c1af80fb290472c89fb930e223505af
    Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

    I have to bend over too far

    I get a boner.

    bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

    I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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    • #3
      My guess is this dies in court, but it's annoying that it's going to be a court battle at all. We've got better things to do with our time and money.

      I'm going to have to read up on exactly how the ATF is going to say bump stocks are machine guns. If the ATF is going to make the change by merely reinterpreting its own definition of machine gun, then I believe the upcoming SCOTUS case about Auer defense becomes directly relevant. Striking down Auer defense wouldn't immediately nullify a bump stock ban, but it would probably make defending an ATF bump stock ban in court rather difficult.

      No amnesty period like for the NFA. No compensation for the people who have them. No spike in violence like during the prohibition era. Tons of gun laws on the books.... the enforcment of which has been botched repeatedly in recent cases. The gun owning public is in a different mental state these days. Make enough things illegal and people are going to stop caring about the laws. I don't see people caring much about this.
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      Praying things get better.

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      • thughes
        #3.1
        thughes commented
        12-18-2018, 01:46 PM
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        It sounds as though it's pretty much a done deal. Just like the unsafe act, it will go into effect and remain in effect while it's dragged out in court for the foreseeable future.
    • #4
      You certainly are on top of things .I just read this and hour ago
      as I stated at lunch the NY Legistlature intends to ramp up gun prosecutions by reclassifying the supposed "crimes" by bumping up the Classification I.e. Class C violent felony just for possession
      Keep paying for your oppression !!
      sic semper boogaloo

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      • thughes
        #4.1
        thughes commented
        12-18-2018, 01:48 PM
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        I hereby revoke my consent to be governed.
    • #5
      ATF got over 35,000 comments during the comment period, went ahead and "reclassified" anyway (after ATF themselves emphatically stated in 2010 that it would "require congress to pass new legislation defining machine guns" in order for ATF to reclassify bump stocks).
      Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

      I have to bend over too far

      I get a boner.

      bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

      I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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      • #6
        They are not responsible to the "represented"
        the mission is to collect revenue by Licensing and Prosecution
        You realize the IRS is the collection arm for this right ??
        sic semper boogaloo

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        • #7
          As a consequence of using my phone being sans internet, I can not Comment on postings

          In a personal conversation I would be happy to explain exactly how You have " consented" .thug 🤢
          sic semper boogaloo

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          • #8
            Originally posted by thughes View Post
            ATF got over 35,000 comments during the comment period, went ahead and "reclassified" anyway (after ATF themselves emphatically stated in 2010 that it would "require congress to pass new legislation defining machine guns" in order for ATF to reclassify bump stocks).
            It looks like the DOJ is making the change. Not the ATF...?

            https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Final-Rule.pdf

            Under the NFA, the term "machinegun" means "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." 26 U.S.C. 5845(b).
            This definition uses the key terms "single function of the trigger" and "automatically," but these terms are not defined in the statutory text.
            The NPRM proposed regulatory definitions for the statutory terms "single function of the trigger" and "automatically," and amendments of the regulatory definition of"machinegun" for purposes of clarity. Specifically, the NPRM proposed to amend the definitions of"machinegun" in§§ 478.11 and 479.11, define the term "single function of the trigger" to mean "single pull of the trigger," and define the term "automatically" to mean "as the result of a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that allows the firing of multiple rounds through a single pull of the trigger."
            (NPRM = Notice of proposed rule making)

            The Department, however, has revised the definition of"single function of the trigger" to mean "single pull of the trigger" and analogous motions, taking into account that there are other methods of initiating an automatic firing sequence that do not require a pull.
            Yup, the AG instead of the ATF:

            The Attorney General is responsible for enforcing the NF A, as amended, and the GCA, as amended.2 This responsibility includes the authority to promulgate regulations . necessary to enforce the provisions of the NFA and GCA. See 18 U.S.C. 926(a); 26 U.S.C. 7801(a)(2)(A), 7805(a). The Attorney General has delegated the responsibility for 2 NFA provisions still refer to the "Secretary of the Treasury." 26 U.S.C. ch. 53. However, the Homeland Security Act of 2002, Pub. L. 107-296, 116 Stat. 2135, transferred the functions of ATF from the Department of the Treasury to the Depattment of Justice, under the general authority ofthe Attorney General. 26 U.S.C. 780l(a)(2); 28 U.S.C. 599A(c)(I). Thus, for ease of reference, this notice refers to the Attomey General. 7 administering and enforcing the NFA and GCA to the Director of ATF, subject to the direction of the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General.
            So this isn't good, and the change of wording from "function" of the trigger" to "pull" of the trigger could easily be interpreted to outlaw more than just bump stocks. Rumor has it that a Geissele SD-3G trigger on an AR-10 will bump fire pretty easily. No springy stock necessary.

            But, for those who want to have their fun and throw a symbolic middle finger at the feds for this stupidity; a binary trigger fires once on the pull and once on the release. Since the wording is being changed to "pull", that seems like it wouldn't apply to what happens when you release the trigger. Maybe.

            Jerry Miculek has just been outlawed.
            Last edited by WARFAB; 12-18-2018, 02:19 PM.
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            Praying things get better.

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            • #9
              In response to the NPRM, ATF received over 186,000 comments. Submissions came from individuals, including foreign nationals, lawyers, and government officials, as well as various interest groups. Overall, 119,264 comments expressed support for the proposed rule, 66,182 comments expressed opposition, and for 657 comments? the commenter's position could not be determined. The commenters' grounds for support and opposition, along with specific concerns and suggestions, are discussed below.
              Welcome to a direct democracy.
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              • #10
                Notice the part of CFR being referenced .??
                sic semper boogaloo

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                • #11
                  And the first batter steps up to the plate: https://www.firearmspolicy.org/lawsu...olicycoalition

                  On a side note, f UCK the NRA! Those bastards actually expressed support for this ban back when it was first proposed. Wayne LaPierre et al can eat a great big bag of dicks, our future lies with the FPC, GOA, and other organizations that aren't afraid to stand on principle.
                  Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

                  I have to bend over too far

                  I get a boner.

                  bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

                  I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......
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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by thughes View Post

                    On a side note, f UCK the NRA! Those bastards actually expressed support for this ban back when it was first proposed. Wayne LaPierre et al can eat a great big bag of dicks, our future lies with the FPC, GOA, and other organizations that aren't afraid to stand on principle.
                    you know my opinion on the NRA. !!!
                    You are too kind
                    This stuff just fuels their income. Bastards
                    sic semper boogaloo
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                    • #13
                      I've actually never seen this before. Kind of disappointed with myself for not thinking of it.
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                      • thughes
                        #13.1
                        thughes commented
                        12-18-2018, 02:41 PM
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                        Ohhh....a fun switch for the M14. Works on an M1 too. Daddy like!
                    • #14
                      Originally posted by thughes View Post
                      And the first batter steps up to the plate: https://www.firearmspolicy.org/lawsu...olicycoalition

                      On a side note, f UCK the NRA! Those bastards actually expressed support for this ban back when it was first proposed. Wayne LaPierre et al can eat a great big bag of dicks, our future lies with the FPC, GOA, and other organizations that aren't afraid to stand on principle.
                      Next up to bat......GOA: https://www.gunowners.org/gun-owners...-stock-ban.htm
                      Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

                      I have to bend over too far

                      I get a boner.

                      bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

                      I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......
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                      • #15
                        Make the phone call and leave messages at the campaign manager's contact links thanking Trump for selling us down the river. (Talk fast, you only get @15 seconds)
                        Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

                        I have to bend over too far

                        I get a boner.

                        bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

                        I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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