AK47 vs. M4 bullet wounds.

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Interesting article, if a bit graphic

http://tacmedaustralia.com.au/why-id...47-than-an-m4/

[Meketrefe]

Thanks for posting!
w/o going through the entire article I can tell you a few things I have observed about the AK47 7.62x39 rounds.
Of course we shoudl say that the terminal performance depends on several factors, first the bullet, the speed at impact, the media, the angle,,, etc...
This applies to any ammo of any caliber. 5.56 in several modern rounds from 60 to 80gr is very effective. The AK can also be very effective but
here is the thing...
Most AK Ammunition like those russian tins we buy cheap (not so cheap anymore) are made to be cheap. Steel case, berdan primer and the bullets are
FMJs but they have extremely thick jackets. This is great to go through car doors and if you catch barriers but also in many wounds they produce
a lot of pin hole wounding that results in a non-lethal injury and also fails to stop the threat. This happens with other russian calibers where they use
thick hard jackets but in 223 steel at least you have a much faster speed that helps with fragmentation and cavitation upon tumbling.
Additionally the AK (like the blackout) will fail to penetrate a 3/8 hot rolled steel plate whereas the modern 5.56 will go through it like knife through butter.
It is all about the speed. That is why these light for caliber slow moving calibers were retired from service. They are great in many close quarter applications
and with medium barriers and shoot a lot of grain but they are not superior ammo unlike many believe.
Of course a quality ammunition like lapua or others is not only a lot more accurate but also one can get amazing AK ammo for hunting from manufacturers
like corbon who use premium bullets. That is an amazing round.

So cheap bullets are great for practice but that compounding with the lack of speed it makes the AK round a lot less effective in many situations.
Soldiers are trained to check each other for injuries after firefight because pin hole wounds might not be felt until adrenaline rush wears out.
Something that has been seen many times with the AK-47 round. The AK 74 however is a different story and while underpowered compared to the 5.56
it follows some of the same directives and it tumbles like the original 223 was designed to do.

[24Pink14Stink]

Cool! Thanks for posting POP!

[mondo]

Thanks for posting!
w/o going through the entire article I can tell you a few things I have observed about the AK47 7.62x39 rounds.
Of course we shoudl say that the terminal performance depends on several factors, first the bullet, the speed at impact, the media, the angle,,, etc...
This applies to any ammo of any caliber. 5.56 in several modern rounds from 60 to 80gr is very effective. The AK can also be very effective but
here is the thing...
Most AK Ammunition like those russian tins we buy cheap (not so cheap anymore) are made to be cheap. Steel case, berdan primer and the bullets are
FMJs but they have extremely thick jackets. This is great to go through car doors and if you catch barriers but also in many wounds they produce
a lot of pin hole wounding that results in a non-lethal injury and also fails to stop the threat. This happens with other russian calibers where they use
thick hard jackets but in 223 steel at least you have a much faster speed that helps with fragmentation and cavitation upon tumbling.
Additionally the AK (like the blackout) will fail to penetrate a 3/8 hot rolled steel plate whereas the modern 5.56 will go through it like knife through butter.
It is all about the speed. That is why these light for caliber slow moving calibers were retired from service. They are great in many close quarter applications
and with medium barriers and shoot a lot of grain but they are not superior ammo unlike many believe.
Of course a quality ammunition like lapua or others is not only a lot more accurate but also one can get amazing AK ammo for hunting from manufacturers
like corbon who use premium bullets. That is an amazing round.

So cheap bullets are great for practice but that compounding with the lack of speed it makes the AK round a lot less effective in many situations.
Soldiers are trained to check each other for injuries after firefight because pin hole wounds might not be felt until adrenaline rush wears out.
Something that has been seen many times with the AK-47 round. The AK 74 however is a different story and while underpowered compared to the 5.56
it follows some of the same directives and it tumbles like the original 223 was designed to do.

The 7.62x39 along with the AK-47 were created to be rugged and cost effective to manufacture. They were designed to be used by peasants for the purpose of spreading world wide revolution,Like you have stated,they were made to be cheap.The 5.56 round tends to have more bullet yaw than the 7.62 round causing more damage.I enjoy reading your posts because of the information that you pass on.The one about accurizing the AR-15 was one of the best that I have ever seen.

[Meketrefe]

The 7.62x39 along with the AK-47 were created to be rugged and cost effective to manufacture. They were designed to be used by peasants for the purpose of spreading world wide revolution,Like you have stated,they were made to be cheap.The 5.56 round tends to have more bullet yaw than the 7.62 round causing more damage.I enjoy reading your posts because of the information that you pass on.The one about accurizing the AR-15 was one of the best that I have ever seen.

Thanks man. Take it always with a grain of salt. What I post is not the last work. It is like cooking the recipes one can play with them.
But I am happy that serves to get a good grasp on some of the directives and fundamentals for accuracy and consistency.

BTW with the Russian ammo the barrels last a lot less time accuracy wise because the hard jackets also puts a toll on the rifling. No matter what caliber, even 5.56. So they are cheaper for practice but if one has a very expensive barrel might consider quality bullets or ammo. In short they use less copper and more tin and that is why those thick jackets do what they do. Also careful when shooting steel move back because they can ricochet like crazy and we wants to go back home with the same amount of holes we had when we woke up in the morning. LOL