National Reciprocity?!?!?

[WARFAB]

And in other news... https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S879

Perhaps we're both dreaming today.

[camper4lyfe]

And in other news... https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S879

Rich Funke, my senator, is a co-sponsor. Sweet!

[masterswimmer]

And in other news... https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S879

Did I fall asleep and wake up in Oz?

[Cgrutt]

Did I fall asleep and wake up in Oz?

Just tap your heels together and you'll wake up in NYistan in no time. I'm sure this won't be going anywhere anytime soon (but it would be great if it did).

[masterswimmer]

Just tap your heels together and you'll wake up in NYistan in no time. I'm sure this won't be going anywhere anytime soon (but it would be great if it did).

Can't I just wollop two heads together? Like monkeyface and schumhole?

[thughes]

Here we go again, out of markup and headed to the House floor for a vote (stay tuned for the next "mass shooting" event). I posted the below musing in another forum a while back, what are you guys thoughts?



"So, I've been trying to work through the logistics of national reciprocity and I just can't see it working. One of the youtube CA gun guys is telling all CA residents to get a non-resident permit and then they'll be able to carry even if they can't get a CA permit due to the BS "may issue" crap in that state.

Here in NY, one of the requirements of the "SAFE" act is that permit holders have to "recertify" every 5 years (mental health check, criminal bg check, etc.) I began to wonder what happens if national reciprocity passes and I decide not to "recertify" my NY permit. Given that if I don't recertify, the NYSP notify the local county clerk to revoke my permit. Once revoked, someone has to come for my guns (All of them! This includes long guns too according to the "SAFE" act, even though we aren't required to register long guns and therefore the state has no way of knowing what long guns I own). But I digress......

When the NYSP show up for my guns, can I just tell them to piss off and show them my PA/FL/UT permits because "national reciprocity"? Or does seizure happen regardless by virtue of NYS penal code that states my guns get confiscated upon revocation of my NY permit?

Is this national reciprocity valid in special enclaves like NYC where even our NYS permits are not valid?

If national reciprocity goes into effect, how do I purchase a handgun? Federal law prohibits face-to-face sales of handguns to out of state residents and requires that guns are sent to the resident state FFL. Most states with handgun licensing schemes require a valid in-state CCW permit for residents to purchase a handgun from an FFL, so how do I buy a handgun in NY having only a PA/UT/FL ccw? Unless NYS law changes, you will never be able to purchase a handgun w/o a valid NY permit.

Too many screwed up scenarios for this thing to ever work. The only solution is NOT national reciprocity but national Constitutional Carry as validated by the Second Amendment. Anything less will never pass and seems impossible to implement.

Just some food for thought."

[Norm DeGuerre]

nobody reads my Postings, do they ..???
National Reciprocity can not cover the declared "Residents" of the STATE they have agreed to be REGULATED in ...

this 12pk of Torpedo just ain't gonna do it tonight ...

[WARFAB]

nobody reads my Postings, do they ..???
National Reciprocity can not cover the declared "Residents" of the STATE they have agreed to be REGULATED in ...

this 12pk of Torpedo just ain't gonna do it tonight ...

Is tearing up one's permit enough to show you no longer agree to be regulated?

[Norm DeGuerre]

Is tearing up one's permit enough to show you no longer agree to be regulated?

declared "Residents" of the STATE

[24Pink14Stink]

Is tearing up one's permit enough to show you no longer agree to be regulated?

I think you have to burn your bra and draft card too.

[thughes]

SO, there is a really nice benefit to this law (too bad the bill will never make it through Congress): One of the amendments added is "Having the magazine in the firearm be protected by the law to prevent a state that limits magazine capacity from arresting people with standard capacity magazines."

Standard cap mags are legal in all the states that I have non-resident permits from, so.......I would get to load me up some 15 rounders and carry them because 'reciprocity.

[masterswimmer]

SO, there is a really nice benefit to this law (too bad the bill will never make it through Congress): One of the amendments added is "Having the magazine in the firearm be protected by the law to prevent a state that limits magazine capacity from arresting people with standard capacity magazines."

Standard cap mags are legal in all the states that I have non-resident permits from, so.......I would get to load me up some 15 rounders and carry them because 'reciprocity.

Says you. The 2A also states Shall Not Be Infringed. How's that working out for you/us in NYistan?

[Norm DeGuerre]

SO, there is a really nice benefit to this law (too bad the bill will never make it through Congress): One of the amendments added is "Having the magazine in the firearm be protected by the law to prevent a state that limits magazine capacity from arresting people with standard capacity magazines."

Standard cap mags are legal in all the states that I have non-resident permits from, so.......I would get to load me up some 15 rounders and carry them because 'reciprocity.

You previously stated that a Felony conviction would not be a career enhancing move ...
what's changed ..??

http://www.lockportjournal.com/news/...8316b9ba8.html

[WARFAB]

Are the politicians working on screwing this up?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/04/rep-thomas-massie-sounds-warning-house-leaders-to-merge-obama-style-gun-control-with-national-reciprocity/

[“Fix-NICS”] encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm. When President Obama couldn’t get Congress to pass gun control, he implemented a strategy of compelling, through administrative rules, the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Administration to submit lists of veterans and seniors, many of whom never had a day in court, to be included in the NICS database of people prohibited from owning a firearm. Only a state court, a federal (article III) court, or a military court, should ever be able to suspend your rights for any significant period of time.

Massie does not name names, but presumes that some are seeking to add the gun control legislation as a way of “to ensure reciprocity will pass in the Senate.” Yet he believes it is a foolish attempt to gain the support of Senators like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who will not support national reciprocity legislation “even if it contains the fix-NICS legislation they support for expanding the background check database.”

Massie observed, “If our House leadership insists on bringing the flawed fix-NICS bill to the floor, they shouldn’t play games. We should vote separately on HR 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill, and HR 4477, the fix-NICS bill. And we should be given enough time to amend the fix-NICS bill, because it needs to be fixed, if not axed.”

[thughes]

If you've not been following this.....yes, yes they are. The plan is to attach 4477 to 38 and push it as a single vote, all or nothing. Welcome to the swamp!