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  • Utah Man Found Guilty of Selling Machine Gun Conversions

    I first saw this story on Bearingarms.com. They presented it as a clear cut case of a man selling illegal class 3 modifications. I was curious about what kind of modification he was selling, so I did a little googling. It sounds like it might not be such a clear cut case.

    https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/01/...-machine-guns/


    A Utah man claimed he was not guilty of manufacturing a part that turns a regular AR-15 rifle into a fully automatic weapon. Whatever the buyer does with the small piece of aluminum is on them, he argued.

    “Once the kit is sold, whose responsibility is it to make sure it stays within the confines of the law?” Scott Ray Bishop asked the federal court jury during his closing arguments Friday.

    But the jury, about an hour later, found Bishop guilty as charged of one count each of unlawfully engaging in the business of manufacturing machine guns and illegal possession of machine guns from 2013 to 2016.
    Federal prosecutors claimed Bishop sold 1,400 of these kits throughout the country from 2013 to 2016 for $100 each. The kit included a piece of metal that could be placed in the lower receiver of the assault-style rifles to allow the gun to continually fire while the trigger was pressed down.
    Bishop then presented a defense that his product was for educational and informational purposes only, and that the instructions mailed out with the kit specifically outline what not to do — complete the fourth bend on the piece of aluminum — in order to keep the firearm legal.
    It kind of sounds like this guy would have been OK if he had decent legal representation. Without actually seeing the product he was selling it's hard to say for sure, but it sounds like he was selling an unfinished piece of metal and some instructions on how to use it. There are all kinds of instructions for how to make illegal things on the internet. Home Depot sells all kinds of supplies to make such illegal things. There are all kinds of "solvent trap" kits for sale from different online distributors. My reading of this says he completely bungled his defense by trying to use multiple different, possibly conflicting arguments.
    Last edited by WARFAB; 05-25-2018, 03:35 PM.
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    I was thinking of his cannon.

  • #2
    1,400 ...??
    well there, bucky ..
    he cheated the .Gov outta $280000 for selling those "L:ightning Links"
    jail for sure ... i mean never mind Wall Street tomfoolery, or anything..
    this guy is a real criminal
    sic semper boogaloo

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    • #3
      And that's why they're prosecuting, they don't give a damn about the actual machine guns ( same reason home distilling is illegal)
      Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

      I have to bend over too far

      I get a boner.

      bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

      I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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      • Norm DeGuerre
        Norm DeGuerre commented
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        distilled spirits are taxed at what ..?? 69% I believe ..

      • WARFAB
        WARFAB commented
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        Whoa, seriously? 69%??

    • #4
      ( same reason home distilling is illegal)


      an interesting corollary is indeed Alcohol...
      Standard Oil (Rockefeller) at one time had a major share of the gasoline market
      they raised prices due to "shortage", and farmers began distilling their own fuel based on --- alcohol ..
      seems a Farmall ran great on it

      then guess what ..??
      sic semper boogaloo

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      • #5
        Revenuers!
        Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

        I have to bend over too far

        I get a boner.

        bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

        I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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        • #6
          a pretty good Case may be made that Prohibition really was all about Taxatiion
          sic semper boogaloo

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          • #7
            I believe it all started here:

            Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

            I have to bend over too far

            I get a boner.

            bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

            I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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            • Norm DeGuerre
              Norm DeGuerre commented
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              Whiskey Rebellion ..!!

          • #8
            I guess I can add "I don't want to give the government more of my money" to the list of reasons I don't drink.
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            I was thinking of his cannon.

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            • thughes
              thughes commented
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              Perfectly legal to make your own beer and wine.

          • #9
            what would life be without beer and wine ..??
            sic semper boogaloo

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            • #10
              Originally posted by Norm DeGuerre View Post
              what would life be without beer and wine ..??
              I believe it's called "sober".
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              • #11
                Originally posted by WARFAB View Post

                I believe it's called "sober".
                You spelled "boring" wrong.
                Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

                I have to bend over too far

                I get a boner.

                bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

                I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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