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  • #1

    Getting your C&R

    Getting your C&R (FFL03) takes about 15 minutes of your time, costs $30 (for a three year license), and the BATFE turn-around seems to be @ 30 days. You don't need to get fingerprinted. You don't need to get references. You don't need to get anything notarized. You just need to fill out a quick form, write a check, buy a stamp, and stick the envelope in the mail box. Stop stalling....

    This is the best how-to that I have found and it explains what to do step-by-step: http://www.garandgear.com/cnr_ffl_03

    You guys that have been telling me for years "I gotta get my C&R one of these days" have no freaking excuse, now get to it before I buy up all the remaining surplus rifles on the market!
    Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

    I have to bend over too far

    I get a boner.

    bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

    I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......
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    It truly is that easy and there's no reason not to do it.
    Athiest. Because... science

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    • #3
      Fine fine fine I'll try to do it this week lol
      www.AvidArms.com I'm STIHL out of conditioner!!
      Finally joined the ranks of broke homeowner
      Am I short stroking or going to fast?

      I know he has a bush

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      • #4
        I'll get it someday...when I have money to use it.
        Old enough to know better, still too young to care
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        • #5
          Originally posted by camper4lyfe View Post
          I'll get it someday...when I have money to use it.
          Precisely. I have INTENTIONALLY not filled out the paperwork to avoid divorce and bankruptcy. LOL.
          Sticky Lips at High Noon!
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          • #6
            Is there anything left to get?

            When I look at AIM and J&G the pickin seems quite slim.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by camper4lyfe View Post
              I'll get it someday...when I have money to use it.
              Originally posted by dwa12479 View Post

              Precisely. I have INTENTIONALLY not filled out the paperwork to avoid divorce and bankruptcy. LOL.
              Ditto these two comments.

              "I ask, Sir, what is dinner? It is the whole chicken. To pluck the chicken is the best and most effectual way to prepare them."
              Colonel Sanders

              That is a NICE looking bunch of meat!

              I can still find a use for my thumb, even though it no longer has a hole to finger.

              I could have been enjoying his nuts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ham_Chu View Post
                Is there anything left to get?

                When I look at AIM and J&G the pickin seems quite slim.
                Nope, I bought everything.
                Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

                I have to bend over too far

                I get a boner.

                bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

                I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......
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                • #9
                  The more I look the more I want! http://www.gunbroker.com/Curios-Reli...1&Sort=4&Tab=2

                  But it also just gives me more questions. I saw listed Mosin Barreled actions that said they ship to C&R holders, but if I put it in a aftermarket stock is isn't no longer C&R?

                  If I want to give my dad a gun and its on my log book do I have to go through a real FFL and do a transfer even though he is immediate family?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ADK2ndClub View Post
                    The more I look the more I want! http://www.gunbroker.com/Curios-Reli...1&Sort=4&Tab=2

                    But it also just gives me more questions. I saw listed Mosin Barreled actions that said they ship to C&R holders, but if I put it in a aftermarket stock is isn't no longer C&R?

                    If I want to give my dad a gun and its on my log book do I have to go through a real FFL and do a transfer even though he is immediate family?
                    About the barreled action question, technically they are not C&R (as per ATF Ruling 85-10) and must be shipped to an 01 FFL. Anybody receiving one on their C&R is taking a big risk (I don't care that the seller has them advertised as C&R OK). Swapping out to a plastic stock changes the status and rifle is no longer C&R, how one would deal with the legalities of such a situation is a big clusterfluk I would imagine:

                    The definition for curio or relic (“C & R”) firearms found in 18 U.S.C. 27 CFR § 478.11 does not specifically state that a firearm must be in its original condition to be classified as a C&R firearm. However, ATF Ruling 85-10, which discusses the importation of military C&R firearms, notes that they must be in original configuration and adds that a receiver is not a C&R item. Combining this ruling and the definition of C&R firearms, the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) has concluded that a firearm must be in its original condition to be considered a C&R weapon.
                    It is also the opinion of FTB, however, that a minor change such as the addition of scope mounts, non-original sights, or sling swivels would not remove a firearm from its original condition. Moreover, we have determined that replacing particular firearms parts with new parts that are made to the original design would also be acceptable-for example, replacing a cracked M1 Grand stock with a new wooden stock of the same design, but replacing the original firearm stock with a plastic stock would change its classification as a C&R item.


                    As to the second question: BATFE does not require a BG check for C&R to buy from private individuals nor to sell to private individuals. In addition, NYunfukingsafe exempts BG requirement between son and father so you're good to give Dad a C&R gun

                    Are transfers of curio or relic firearms by licensed collectors subject to the NICS background check requirements? No. However, it is unlawful for any person to transfer a firearm to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person is a felon or is within any other category of person prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms.
                    [18 U.S.C. 922(d) and 922(t)(1); 27 CFR 478.32(d) and 478.102]


                    Are licensed collectors required to execute an ATF Form 4473 for transactions in curio or relic firearms?
                    No. However, licensed collectors are required to keep an acquisition and disposition (A&D) record.
                    [18 U.S.C. 923(g)(2); 27 CFR 478.125(f)]






                    Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

                    I have to bend over too far

                    I get a boner.

                    bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

                    I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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                    • #11
                      Thanks for the info! Now to fill out the forms! Must of been much more fun to have an C&R before NY Safe crap!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ADK2ndClub View Post
                        Thanks for the info! Now to fill out the forms! Must of been much more fun to have an C&R before NY Safe crap!
                        NY Safe has not affected C&R at all, except for the CMP and one guy here in NY that refused to sell me a C&R rifle without going through an FFL BG check (even thought the NYSP said it was OK). C&R is an FFL so rifles are delivered right to your door! FUAC.
                        Beer is like porn, you can buy it but it's more fun to make your own

                        I have to bend over too far

                        I get a boner.

                        bareback every couple of days, GTG. Bareback, brokeback, same $hit!

                        I joined a support group to help me deal with my social anxiety but I just can't seem to work up the nerve to go to a meeting......

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by thughes View Post

                          Nope, I bought everything.
                          Classic has Yugo SKS's, mosins and swiss 1911 carbines. Can't go wrong with a swiss.
                          Athiest. Because... science
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                          • #14
                            OK .... so I let my C&R run out (2013). What do I have to do to get it again?? All of the running around that I had to do last time?? What a PITA that was. I only bought one damn gun on my last FFL 03 and just want it to have it incase I ever start collecting .... again. I found that 01FFL's won't sell to me on my 03FFL so ... I never got to use it other than the one gun. I want to make this 100% clear to all of you that have a 03FFL now. IF you purchase a C&R eligible firearm from a dealer OR you buy one from an individual that insists on you having a NICS BGC done on you at time of purchase, that firearm IS NOT to go on your books!!! I specifically asked this question at least 20 times and every time I was told that since you had the BGC on you, that is now on the 01FFL's books and there that firearm is NOT to be entered into your own books. Why you ask?? Because by you having the BGC performed, you did NOT use your 03FFL and as such, that firearm is NOT to be entered. Only firearms you purchase for your collection where you become the entity in the transaction by using your 03FFL are to be entered on the books. All others I mentioned prior become personal firearms and ARE NOT considered part of your collection.
                            Last edited by Chicken Shoot; 12-23-2015, 03:24 AM.




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                            • #15
                              Right here chicken...

                              http://www.garandgear.com/cnr_ffl_03
                              Athiest. Because... science
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