Does anyone recognize what rifle this is from?

[Pissed Off Patriot]

My great uncle, who died quite a while back, was a driver for General Eisenhower during WW2. This was among some of his wartime things.

[usmcveteran]

Sorry I don't but bet you'll get an answer by tomorrow, very cool looking site though .

[Liberty's Teeth]

Appears to be an M1902 Springfield (not 03) ladder sight. Post a few higher res pics and folks here can help you out.

[harleyhutch]

Any numbers on it? Would have to dig rifles out and start looking and can't to them right now, but don't show it to Andy Pandy! FUAC I'll look later, need to spit wood right now while it's cool.

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Appears to be an M1902 Springfield (not 03) ladder sight. Post a few higher res pics and folks here can help you out.

I think you are right. The markings for elevation are slightly different but the sight as a whole otherwise matches perfectly. From what I've just read, there were multiple changes to the rear sight, some were minor and some were major. If you click on the actual picture above, it should give you a bigger picture to look at. Is that not high-res enough?

Does anyone know of a website that details the changes to the rear sight?

Any numbers on it? Would have to dig rifles out and start looking and can't to them right now, but don't show it to Andy Pandy! FUAC I'll look later, need to spit wood right now while it's cool.

There were no other numbers on the sight other than the elevation numbers.

[Meketrefe]

humm...
They are 2K meters sights with left curled button for windage.
I never saw them in a Springfield nor mauser nor any russian rifles ..
I am no experty so I did a search and it looks they could be for a krag rifle....


http://www.oa2.org/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11391

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Yes, mine looks just like the one at the top, except the 2k meter is marked off with 25 meter unmarked sub increments, and the number format is slightly different.

The bottom one is the ladder type rear sight.

[Liberty's Teeth]

Hey Meke, if my memory serves me well the Krag-Jorgensen was adopted by the U.S. Military and was called the M1902, prior to the 1903 Springfield being adopted as the primary battle rifle. I recall we brought in just a couple thousand so that sight base could be worth millions😎. (kidding). I also recall that they put the slide ramp on the sight. I'll do a little more research after I take a pull or two in a cal 30 barrel and see if I can help with this mystery

[Meketrefe]

I am not really sure but one thing is clear the M1903 didn't take the rear windage curled knob. I am not an expert in classic firearms but they look like they could be some late krag, not the carbine one though. I found another picture of krag sights differences.

They seem like they could be a 1902 vs.the 1898. I almost bought a 1898 once but the bore wasn't great so I passed but I do remember the open sights.
Now if you didn't bring up the subject I would never think about the differences as they all were adjustable to 2 Ks.
People those days were rather optimistic with the sights!. LOL.



http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=33844

[Meketrefe]

Yes, mine looks just like the one at the top, except the 2k meter is marked off with 50 meter unmarked sub increments, and the number format is slightly different.

The bottom one is the ladder type rear sight.

Keep in mind there weren't any CNC machines back then and steel makers and armorers working the tools might make one different to the next with their own "personal" touch in the elevation scale distribution or overall finishing.
Just for example look at the different styles were made... Someone is selling a set in ebay below...
I am going to say yours are krag 1902 because they match every single feature and those most likely would allow the replacement of the aperture with
different versions as offered here....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-KRAG-1902...item43ddf3be98

Here one already sold...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1902-Springf...p2047675.l2557

Here one on sale...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAR-SIGHT-K...3D111669467869

So my vote goes for the 1902 krag.

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Ok, I corrected my previous post, as the elevation marking were not in 50 yard increments, but in 25 yard increments. This is what finally narrowed it down to but one specific rifle.

http://m1903.com/rod1903/

If you scroll about 2/3rds of the way down the page, it talks about the sights.
The rear sight leaf has 25 yard increment markings on the face. The lock screw for the elevation slide is located on the right side. The lock screw shown here is incorrect, as it should have a "V" shaped depression on both sides of a screw slot. This was intended to allow tightening of the adjustment using the cartridge rim. A minor error that can be easily corrected..






Mine has the correct elevation lock screw, with the "V" spaced depression.

[Meketrefe]

So this means some of the latest Krag 1902 and early M1903 shared the same precise sights?

[Pissed Off Patriot]

So this means some of the latest Krag 1902 and early M1903 shared the same precise sights?

Not as far as I can tell. All the Krag sights I have seen are different than the one I have.

The examples you gave are similar, but different.

[Meketrefe]

I think it might be difficult to find a precise match. I am not clear at what point the M1903 changed their sights...
This is what I have seen in the past. A few local places where I have seen them they had the same sights
that are very different from yours. I though I had a few pictures in my phone but so far I could only find
some german mausers. Again I am no expert on these things...

Like this one here from WWI...



http://www.firstdivisionmuseum.org/m...ts/entry1.aspx

[Meketrefe]

Lots of models here...

http://oldguns.net/cat_fa_old_us_long.htm