NYSRPA vs Bruen

[Norm Deguerre x2]

Good things But
Then there is New York
The Fed will not sue the STATE

[usmcveteran]

Good things But
Then there is New York
The Fed will not sue the STATE

No but the citizens can. This ruling said history can be used as evidence. What kind of history does NYS have? A history of violating the constitution. A history with Chucky not caring about supreme court and it's rulings, a history with past and even our current governor saying she would fight the supreme court ruling before even knowing what it was.

So a history of a tyrannical state systematically violating the rights of it's citizens knowingly and with purpose and to try and skirt the law anyway possible.

ETA:
https://www.justice.gov/crt/deprivat...nder-color-law

• Section 242 of Title 18 makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States.
  
  For the purpose of Section 242, acts under "color of law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within their lawful authority, but also acts done beyond the bounds of that official's lawful authority, if the acts are done while the official is purporting to or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. Persons acting under color of law within the meaning of this statute include police officers, prisons guards and other law enforcement officials, as well as judges, care providers in public health facilities, and others who are acting as public officials. It is not necessary that the crime be motivated by animus toward the race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin of the victim.
  
  The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term, or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any.

[Norm Deguerre x2]

Never does a .gov agent get prosecuted
Other wise they all would be at risk

[Norm Deguerre x2]

Those Cases go no where Unless you have F.Lee Bailey as an attorney

[usmcveteran]

I was just thinking how I would like to see a law that addresses issues like this. After all this country is about liberty and justice for all.
I would propose that if you sue the government on a constitutional issue and win the government is responsible to pay all expenses of the citizen of citizens bringing the suit. This levels the playing field and benefits the citizens as a whole who would ultimately bear the cost. Which may even have the effect of not voting in people who don't care about the constitution.

[WARFAB]

Meanwhile, Hochul had a press conference where she told the SCOTUS the 2A only applies to muskets.

Freaking idiot.

[WARFAB]

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[WARFAB]

Reading some of the highlights of Alito's rejoinder to the dissenters. The 6 justice majority brought fire on this case. Can't help but wonder if tomorrow is going to be more of the same.

[WARFAB]

At least one other legal mind seems to agree with the points brought up by usmcveteran .

But what will be particularly interesting to me will be an attack on the Hughes Amendment. Given that machine guns were subject to no prohibitions prior to the 1934 National Firearms Act, and thereafter could still be manufactured and sold to the public with a tax stamp until 1986, and that weapons on the registry in 1986 are still legal with a tax stamp, methinks the government will have an uphill fight upholding the Hughes Amendment under the Bruen test.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ny...n-waiting-for/

[usmcveteran]

Yup this is huge for sure!

[usmcveteran]

I've been reading some news coverage on this including the dissent and rebuttals.

Seems to me like the left in general ( politicians, supreme court left, media , etc) are trying to spin this as making it tougher to protect people. It also seems like they are trying to say the supreme court is not doing the will of the people which is scary. The supreme court's job is to uphold the law and constitution. It's not beholden to the people and it's not it's job to make people happy. They don't have term limits, they are supposed to be unbiased.

Biden even made a comment this decision goes against the constitution but I didn't see him explain that further.

To me it seems like the conservatives are saying, "listen, this is the law as it's written so follow the constitution. Oh and NYS we know you're idiots and can't comprehend so here is a guide on determining constitutionality moving forward on new laws. Please stop violating the rights of the people".

[WARFAB]

Biden even made a comment this decision goes against the constitution but I didn't see him explain that further.

I saw a video of Biden commenting on the decision. He appeared to be using a cue card to attempt to say the decision changes "may" to "shall" in a very disjointed manner. It's painfully obvious in the video that the guy isn't playing with a full deck.

[big flash]

screen shot of a recent card too and it's legitimately hilarious (and scary).

[usmcveteran]

screen shot of a recent card too and it's legitimately hilarious (and scary).

This doesn't look good for claim he has stuttering issue which is why he sounds like he has dementia.

What a joke of a president

[WARFAB]

screen shot of a recent card too and it's legitimately hilarious (and scary).

That's the other side of the card he was holding and looking at while trying to explain the Bruen change from "may" to "shall". I just assumed there were notes on the other side. If the other side was just blank, then it would be even worse than I thought.

[usmcveteran]

So does this case open up the possibility of getting rid of FFLs? I mean I shouldn't have to go through someone else or do background checks either ? Is there a relevant version of that in our founding?

[Norm Deguerre x2]

Never

[usmcveteran]

I saw Monroe county said this decision does not mean open carry is legal. Was open carry or concealed carry more acceptable in our history? I haven't looked into it but feel like concealed carry was probably done more so by criminals.

[WARFAB]

Another interesting angle.

[big flash]

yeah i used to open carry all the time in genesee county as my permit 20 years ago was "restricted" so i wasn't supposed to conceal carry.

[usmcveteran]

I did a word search in the supreme court opinion and from what I read the history shows open carry was the norm before needing license for concealed carry.