National Reciprocity?!?!?

[thughes]

The bill contains language that requires state gov ro pay court costs and damages from any litigation brought forth.

[WARFAB]

The bill contains language that requires state gov ro pay court costs and damages from any litigation brought forth.

Litigation brought forth by the state against the bill, or by the residents of states that decide not to honor this proposed legislation?

If states can choose to ignore federal immigration or drug laws and get away with it, why would they have to honor national reciprocity?

[thughes]

By the state against a CCW holder. Read the legislation, it's only one page: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...e-bill/38/text

[thughes]

Now that HR 38 passed the House, how long before there is another mass shoo........never mind, here it is: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/07...ports-say.html

[WARFAB]

Did my first comment seem heartless? Wasn't intended to be heartless.

[dwa12479]

No, it didn't seem heartless. That was my first thought too. Unless maybe I'm just a heartless bastard as well.

[24Pink14Stink]

Welcome to the club gentlemen. My work here is complete.

[WARFAB]

If reciprocity passes, it's definitely going to be interesting to watch the results.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2017/12/08/njs-bob-menendez-throw-ccw-holster-prison-cross-new-jersey/

“Throw’em into prison for five years” is what New Jersey Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez wants for any out-of-state concealed carry permit holder who enter his state with a firearm.

“People violate our law — we are a state that has decided that we are against concealed carry weapons. We have stronger gun laws. We believe we have made the states safer as that,” Menendez told The Daily Caller Thursday. “They violate our laws, then whatever is the law, and they are found guilty of it, they should pay the consequence.”

When pressed about travelers with concealed carry permits who may be detoured into his state by accident, he replied: “They know what our state’s law is. They should know what our state law is if they want to carry a concealed weapon. I don’t think that they just simply get detoured and they should think in advance when they are traveling.”

He continued, “I find it amazing that Republicans who believe in state rights all of a sudden have a problem observing the state rights of those states that think that stronger gun laws is the way to protect citizens and that’s what I have to say about it.”

[Ham_Chu]

All NY needs to do is revoke the 'carry' part of the permit to be excluded from this whole thing. I am sure that simple legislation would pass relatively easy. NY permits come in two varieties right now, CARRY and RESIDENT (where the handgun cannot leave the house-collectors and such).

Also, the "RESTRICTED CARRY" permit already exists in NY (some county judges have taken this upon their own authority to issue), which specifically outlines that a handgun will remain in the house unless the owner is target shooting, currently employed at something that requires a handgun (Law Enforcement...), or hunting. And each of those check blocks are signed off by the county judge, at least that was how it was when I was issued one from Westchester County.

Either option should keep the Yokels from Alabama from toting handguns into Timrs Square, and should be relatively easy to implement after the permit 're-certification' that ends next month (like they knew it was coming?!?).

Either way, the NRAs grand efforts to expand gun rights across this nation will most likely further restrict those trapped behind the lines (NY, CA, MA, CT, NJ....).

[thughes]

All NY needs to do is revoke the 'carry' part of the permit to be excluded from this whole thing. I am sure that simple legislation would pass relatively easy. NY permits come in two varieties right now, CARRY and RESIDENT (where the handgun cannot leave the house-collectors and such).

Also, the "RESTRICTED CARRY" permit already exists in NY (some county judges have taken this upon their own authority to issue), which specifically outlines that a handgun will remain in the house unless the owner is target shooting, currently employed at something that requires a handgun (Law Enforcement...), or hunting. And each of those check blocks are signed off by the county judge, at least that was how it was when I was issued one from Westchester County.

Either option should keep the Yokels from Alabama from toting handguns into Timrs Square, and should be relatively easy to implement after the permit 're-certification' that ends next month (like they knew it was coming?!?).

Either way, the NRAs grand efforts to expand gun rights across this nation will most likely further restrict those trapped behind the lines (NY, CA, MA, CT, NJ....).

I believe both CA and DC both tried this already and got sued. Courts determined that since they don't allow open carry and they won't issue CCW, it was ruled an infringement on 2A. They were forced to allow one or the other.

[dwa12479]

All NY needs to do is revoke the 'carry' part of the permit to be excluded from this whole thing. I am sure that simple legislation would pass relatively easy. NY permits come in two varieties right now, CARRY and RESIDENT (where the handgun cannot leave the house-collectors and such).

Also, the "RESTRICTED CARRY" permit already exists in NY (some county judges have taken this upon their own authority to issue), which specifically outlines that a handgun will remain in the house unless the owner is target shooting, currently employed at something that requires a handgun (Law Enforcement...), or hunting. And each of those check blocks are signed off by the county judge, at least that was how it was when I was issued one from Westchester County.

Either option should keep the Yokels from Alabama from toting handguns into Timrs Square, and should be relatively easy to implement after the permit 're-certification' that ends next month (like they knew it was coming?!?).

Either way, the NRAs grand efforts to expand gun rights across this nation will most likely further restrict those trapped behind the lines (NY, CA, MA, CT, NJ....).

Restrictions don't carry the weight of law though. They are arbitrary provisions attached to a permit by anti-2A judges. They're bullPePeshittata. The worst that can happen is a judge revokes your permit if you're caught carrying outside restrictions. How's a NY County judge going to revoke an Alabama or (insert_state_here) resident permit?

And as Thughes said above, you can't ban open carry and concealed carry, those states/cities have been pee-pee slapped by the courts.

[masterswimmer]

Restrictions don't carry the weight of law though. They are arbitrary provisions attached to a permit by anti-2A judges. They're bullPePeshittata. The worst that can happen is a judge revokes your permit if you're caught carrying outside restrictions. How's a NY County judge going to revoke an Alabama or (insert_state_here) resident permit?

The NY judge might not be able to revoke an out of state permit, but I think a NY prosecutor could levy charges and bring a whole lot of financial hurt to someone trying out a legal defense to national reciprocity. Just conjecture on my part though.

[Norm DeGuerre]

The NY judge might not be able to revoke an out of state permit, but I think a NY prosecutor could levy charges and bring a whole lot of financial hurt to someone trying out a legal defense to national reciprocity. Just conjecture on my part though.

just look at any of the persecutions in New Jersey to see what could happen, like that woman with a NY CCP that stopped to get gas unknowingly in NJ

[dwa12479]

The NY judge might not be able to revoke an out of state permit, but I think a NY prosecutor could levy charges and bring a whole lot of financial hurt to someone trying out a legal defense to national reciprocity. Just conjecture on my part though.

I certainly wouldn't put it past a NY prosecutor to throw a bunch of darts and see what sticks.

[Meketrefe]

One technical question:
A sheriff/deputy can arrest another officer for not following federal law and arresting an innocent person?
Also a federal officer like the FBI can do that right?

[Norm DeGuerre]

One technical question:
A sheriff/deputy can arrest another officer for not following federal law and arresting an innocent person?
Also a federal officer like the FBI can do that right?

the County Sheriff does not enforce Federal Law
the FBI investigates Federal Crimes that are mostly listed in Title 18, Counterfeiting, Gambling, etc
Civil Rights violations are prosecuted by the Dept of Justice

conclusion:
the Sheriff will not help you
the D.o.J. perhaps might help
the FBI will have other priorities

no OFFICIAL will be arrested without an investgation

[thughes]

no one will be arrested without an investgation

[Norm DeGuerre]

fixed it ..

[masterswimmer]

no official will be arrested with an investgation

fify.