What to do if vaccines are mandated?

[usmcveteran]

What will you do if you're unvaccinated and effected by Bidens mandate?

I've been giving it more and more thought and have decided I will most likely not get vaccinated and fight it. I still see no reason for me to get vaccinated.

Things I don't understand.

What is the benefit to me specifically?

I've already had and recovered from covid (most likely delta variant). The military is saying they don't know how long immunity lasts from natural infection which is why it's not an exemption. Why so we not know how long natural immunity lasts? Is it because it's still lasting or because they haven't studied it? If we haven't studied it why have we not looked into it? Did we not study this before vaccines were available?

The literature already says reinfection is rare (see previous question which conflicts with this question) so I shouldn't be a threat for community spread. Why should I get the vaccine for society?

If society is trying to coerce me against my will to be vaccinated do I have a social obligation to give a crap what they want when they don't value my beliefs and have made no effort to discuss my concerns despite me attempting to reach out to the state for answers?


I feel I have a right over my own body and with safe and effective treatments available and vaccines that aren't effective in stopping infection and spread it's a no brainer that the rights of society don't come close to outweighing my rights as an individual.

I'm not anti vaccine by any means. I don't appreciate the government labeling me and trying to use society to shame me. It's wrong for the government to effectively say get the shot or lose your job.

So yea, unless I can have conversations with actual experts who can answer all my questions and follow up questions to show me why I need it specifically then I plan on fighting this as far as I need too.

[thughes]

I'm not anti vaccine by any means. I don't appreciate the government labeling me and trying to use society to shame me. It's wrong for the government to effectively say get the shot or lose your job.

This^

Check out the Nikki Minaj debacle.....her supporters stormed the CDC in Atlanta to protest mandates. Who knew?

[usmcveteran]

I don't know enough and Haven't fact checked it but did you see this https://trialsitenews.com/nicki-mina...ts-were-wrong/ ?

I saw some super model came out about her choice not to get vaccinated either.

It's just crazy because after a lot of people got vaccinated they stopped following all the covid stuff. Experts were all over the news saying they were essentially going to vilify unvaccinated to get them to get the shot. They literally said that not getting vaccinated was the easy choice and that they would have to start making it the tough choice by making their lives more difficult. It's not about the science it's straight up coersive discrimination.

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[WARFAB]

I saw the VAERS stats about swollen balls. The whole Minaj story is surreal.

[usmcveteran]

If anyone has any other legit questions on why to get vaccinated please post them here as well. In a day or two I'm going to send a message to the VA asking questions and see if I can start a dialogue about if vaccination is right for me. Who knows maybe I can get specific answers that address my concerns backed by science. If I can then I have no reason not to get vaccinated. If they can't then I know I'm making the right choice to fight covid vaccination till the end.

[thughes]

I don't know enough and Haven't fact checked it but did you see this https://trialsitenews.com/nicki-mina...ts-were-wrong/ ?

I saw some super model came out about her choice not to get vaccinated either.

It's just crazy because after a lot of people got vaccinated they stopped following all the covid stuff. Experts were all over the news saying they were essentially going to vilify unvaccinated to get them to get the shot. They literally said that not getting vaccinated was the easy choice and that they would have to start making it the tough choice by making their lives more difficult. It's not about the science it's straight up coersive discrimination.

??????

There is a slowly growing groundswell of push back from both unvaccinated and vaccinated citizens against this mandate. It's not about the mandate per se but the erosion of individual freedom that seems to be the unifying cause and it's about f ucking time. Joe is getting too big for his britches and pissed a lot of otherwise ambivalent people off with his "We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin" remark. FU Joe!

[WARFAB]

There is a slowly growing groundswell of push back from both unvaccinated and vaccinated citizens against this mandate. It's not about the mandate per se but the erosion of individual freedom that seems to be the unifying cause and it's about f ucking time. Joe is getting too big for his britches and pissed a lot of otherwise ambivalent people off with his "We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin" remark. FU Joe!

Nicki Minaj seems to have gotten a lot of people questioning things, that they otherwise weren't questioning. Now there's news that BLM is planning on protesting racist vaccine mandates after some black patrons got kicked out of a NYC restaurant by the white restaurant owner. We're living in interesting times. Is it to much to hope that people just end up realizing the government should stay out of our lives?

https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/22...E3YOqQ.twitter

Hawk Newsome, the co-founder and chairman of Black Lives Matter Greater New York, was quoted Saturday in the New York Times saying that restaurants “are using vaccine mandates to enforce their racist beliefs and excluding black patrons.”

At a protest Monday in front of New York restaurant Carmine’s, Chivona Newsome, also a co-founder of the group, said of the vaccine mandates, “What is going to stop the Gestapo, I mean the NYPD, from rounding up black people, from snatching them off the train, off the bus?”

She further issued the threat that BLM was “putting this city on notice that your mandate will not be another racist social distance practice” and that “Black people are not going to stand by, or you will see another uprising .” She said vaccine verification “is not a free passport to racism.”

The catalyst for those remarks was an incident at Carmine’s last week wherein three black women from Texas were charged for assaulting a hostess at the restaurant, allegedly over a vaccine verification dispute and, as a lawyer for the women subsequently claimed, because the hostess, who is of Asian descent, used a racial slur.

Keep your ammo dry and your popcorn popping.....?

[usmcveteran]

There is a slowly growing groundswell of push back from both unvaccinated and vaccinated citizens against this mandate. It's not about the mandate per se but the erosion of individual freedom that seems to be the unifying cause and it's about f ucking time. Joe is getting too big for his britches and pissed a lot of otherwise ambivalent people off with his "We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin" remark. FU Joe!

I want to say it was psaki that was questioned about why Biden made mandate after saying he wouldn't mandate vaccine. Answer was basically they expected more people to get vaccinated and since they didn't that's why he did mandate.

?????? Basically admitted that as long as the citizens do what lord Biden wants then he won't mandate anything. But don't do what he wants and let the decrees begin.

[usmcveteran]

Reminder to self.... Ask how an unvaccinated person is a threat in the workplace to vaccinated coworkers.

[usmcveteran]

**** this! I'm completely disgusted and can't even pretend to give the government any benefit of the doubt.

So I started looking into the FDA authorized vaccine. Despite them claiming inaccurate effectiveness check out the faq. When asking how long protection lasts they answer that there isn't data available to inform that.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-b...9-vaccine-mrna
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Why is that completely outrageous besides the obvious??

because according to the government prior infection does not exempt you from vaccine mandate because there is no data on how long protection lasts!!!!!
https://www.uscg.mil/Coronavirus/Inf...-members-faqs/
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So they don't know how long protection lasts from natural immunity so you have to get vaccinated when they don't know how long protection lasts????

[WARFAB]

There is data though. I've read numerous articles analyzing such data. They just don't like what the data says.

[usmcveteran]

There is data though. I've read numerous articles analyzing such data. They just don't like what the data says.

So I contemplated your post and came to a realization. All these studies they are using to vilify unvaccinated and the ones they ignore or don't talk about that about that go against the narrative all have something in common. It's no where close to settled science!

Everytime you read benefits of vaccine over natural immunity they use words like "can" "may" "evidence suggests". When it comes down to websites and official legal stances they can't write that stuff because there isn't enough evidence to substantiate claims like that. Truth is they don't know anything and the situation is dynamic and the government is dead set on it's plan and refuses to change course or realize it's plan isn't working in the US and it's not working in any country with high vaccination rates.

[usmcveteran]

Here is a UK example. Read poster quick or in mindset of someone who hasn't been following things. Then read it with a legal mindset looking for technicalities.

https://www.immunology.org/coronavir...ection-vaccine

[WARFAB]

Only the FDA approved Comirnaty is being federally mandated. A friend called today and shared his experience.

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[usmcveteran]

Only the FDA approved Comirnaty is being federally mandated. A friend called today and shared his experience.

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fact sheet link found on this page. https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-b...9-vaccine-mrna

From the vaccine fact sheet. This is suggestive of that lawyer being correct. Read notation 1.
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[WARFAB]

They word that notation rather innocuously.

[usmcveteran]

I thought this was an interesting article. At the end of the article they brought up an interesting point I hadn't considered.

First and foremost the government says testing for covid antibodies doesn't mean you're immune.

So they also say if you had covid AND get covid vaccine you get super immunity! How do they determine immunity? Antibody tests lol.

This article brings up an interesting possibility. When you get covid you get immunity and antibodies. When you get vaccine it creates spike protein to teach your immune system how to fight it.

So if you have immunity and you receive a vaccine that stimulates part of virus then of course your immune system is going to produce super antibodies.

It already knows the enemy!

https://www.outlookindia.com/website...experts/390974